BC Grizzly Hunts over except for the First Nation people!

I suspect wealthy foreign hunters will now simply go through indian reserves. This could fall under "food, social and ceremonial purposes and treaty rights".
Just thinkin' out load now.
Cheers
 
It's not discrimination, it's allowing them to practice their ancestral rights to feed or otherwise provide for themselves.

Other segments of the population are so long removed from the need to hunt as a major contribution to sustinance that we've essentially surrendered any claim to it.
 
longbranch* said:
I suspect wealthy foreign hunters will now simply go through indian reserves. This could fall under "food, social and ceremonial purposes and treaty rights".
Just thinkin' out load now.
Cheers
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I agree.

I dioubt very much that the 2 dozen native owned guide outitters that sell grizzly hunts for $25 000 USD a pop are going to comply. I expect to see native outfitters go to court and probably win the right to continue guiding in thier tradtional territory.

I expect to see some work around for the foreign hunter to take his hide and skull home. Probably dead easy to get them into the USA, as agreements could be worked out with natives on both sides of the border.
 
It's all Miley Circus' fault. Next is a total ban on Wolf harvesting. And who the F thinks its a good idea to bus dozens of humans into grizzly country to "watch" them do whatever. This is the worst thing you can do to a species. They're not in a friggen zoo. And when a grizzly is killed by a CO, they should offer the meat to the nearest band and see who wants to eat it.
 
Incidentally, Section 35(1) of the Constitution Act of Canada of 1982 was first successfully used in R. vs. Sparrow (1990), a landmark Supreme Court of Canada decision.

"35. (1) The existing aboriginal and treaty rights of the aboriginal peoples of Canada are hereby recognized and affirmed."

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/Const/page-16.html

The case stems from the 1984 arrest of Ronald Edward Sparrow, a member of the Musqueam band in B.C., who was charged with violating fisheries regulations when he used a net that was longer than his fishing licence allowed. Sparrow argued that his right to fish with the net was an existing aboriginal right protected by Sec. 35 (1) of the Constitution Act.

Their Peace Treaty Rights have got screw all to do with race.
 
I thought the Sparrow case was first won by the Govt of the day. NDP. They appealed the case, fired their lawyers went to court and then lost. Setting the precedence we have today, THE Sparrow case.
 
Suther said:
Its hard to draw parallels between the (comparatively) densely populated southern Ontario and the wilds of the BC coast and Rocky Mountains. What you say might be right, but then again I bet the old spring bear hunt downed a lot more than 300 bears yearly...
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The ending of both hunts where the population could handle animals being harvested is/was fueled by emotions and politics, not science. I am willing to bet this will be very similar to what happened in Ontario. You guys out west should be looking very closely at what happened in Ontario and use that as an example of what does and doesn't work to get the hunt back. Sure, black bears have a higher population and a higher harvest, but the ending of the grizzly hunt will likely have many things in common with the cancellation of the spring hunt.


PS. Sparsely populated Northern Ontario is where the majority of bear hunting occurs, not Southern. When looking at a map, Southern Ontario is roughly the southern edge of Algonquin park/Bancroft south. This area is about 15% of the province and holds 1/3 of it's population. I believe the southern limit of black bear is around the northern edge of Lake Simcoe?
 
Slamfire said:
The case stems from the 1984 arrest of Ronald Edward Sparrow, a member of the Musqueam band in B.C., who was charged with violating fisheries regulations when he used a net that was longer than his fishing license allowed. Sparrow argued that his right to fish with the net was an existing aboriginal right.........
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Traditional tools & methods when hunting/fishing for their own use I have no problem with. When they use all the modern equipment that has nothing to with traditional hunting; then block roads with ATV's telling everyone one else to turn around because *they* won't allow anyone else to hunt "their" moose. That I have a problem with.
 
We have grizzly bears wandering around town from time to time. ..this policy will mean the over worked CO's will have to kill more problem bears.
Grizzlies don't have much fear of man if they aren't hunted.
 
hawk-i said:
We have grizzly bears wandering around town from time to time. ..this policy will mean the over worked CO's will have to kill more problem bears.
Grizzlies don't have much fear of man if they aren't hunted.
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But does hunting 300 bears a year amount to enough to instill that fear? I don't know, but it seems the vast majority of bears wouldn't encounter hunters if 300 get taken out of 15000+.
 
Suther said:
But does hunting 300 bears a year amount to enough to instill that fear? I don't know, but it seems the vast majority of bears wouldn't encounter hunters if 300 get taken out of 15000+.
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300 are killed by hunters. ...a lot more are hunted.
The bears have been losing their fear of man for awhile now because of reduced leh allocations in past years.
And yes this will make it worse.
 
Suther said:
But does hunting 300 bears a year amount to enough to instill that fear? I don't know, but it seems the vast majority of bears wouldn't encounter hunters if 300 get taken out of 15000+.
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Yeah that’s not a good argument at all.
Hunting 300 bears is no pressure in the species at all...it’s not like openening day rifle season for deer...
 
300 bears are killed. Many more educated. Mother bears educate thier cubs to stay away from humans.

It's not just "300 bears" it's all of them in the area that there is hunting. It's why bears in non hunting areas are much bolder than populations in hunted areas. Furthermore. even one dominant bear can push other bears into human population, just like wolves will push deer and elk into human populations. And for areas like Bella Coola, they should be hunting way more grizzly bears than they are. That area is plagued with grizzly conflicts.

For bears in the backcountry, it doesn't really matter. For bears closer to population it sure does. It's not just 300 bears, it's the whole big picture. Increasing conflict in residential areas is just one part of the big picture.
 
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Thomas D'Arcy McGee said:
Indigenous people signed treaties, which gave them certain legal rights, which "we" agreed to. This is neither about race nor preferential treatment it is about treaty rights. Please read the Donald Marshall Jr. "Eels decision" summary, for a more detailed analysis see The Marshall Decision and Native Rights.

If you are looking for someone to blame then blame Miley :d

Call it whatever you want but it’s blatant discrimination. The Treaties give people special rights on the basis of race.

I guess you could say the Treaties are a “colonial” document.
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I guess you could say the Treaties are a “colonial” document

Unfortunately for everybody concerned, Population has ballooned and times have changed, there's need to renegotiate.

Grizz
 
longbranch* said:
I suspect wealthy foreign hunters will now simply go through indian reserves. This could fall under "food, social and ceremonial purposes and treaty rights".
Just thinkin' out load now.
Cheers
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And since our Treaty Right Brothers are quite smart, I reckon they hire then a well experienced white Guy Trophy Hunter Guide to do the Guiding for them Lol, actually better no Lol, I should be crying its just costing me to much !

Cheers
 
Gatehouse said:
300 bears are killed. Many more educated. Mother bears educate thier cubs to stay away from humans.

It's not just "300 bears" it's all of them in the area that there is hunting. It's why bears in non hunting areas are much bolder than populations in hunted areas. Furthermore. even one dominant bear can push other bears into human population, just like wolves will push deer and elk into human populations. And for areas like Bella Coola, they should be hunting way more grizzly bears than they are. That area is plagued with grizzly conflicts.

For bears in the backcountry, it doesn't really matter. For bears closer to population it sure does. It's not just 300 bears, it's the whole big picture. Increasing conflict in residential areas is just one part of the big picture.
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All FACTS ! I have being salmon fishing down on the Bella Coola and had G Bears and Black Bears came right by us close - NO FEAR ! Just me ####ting my pants ! :d RJ
 
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