Shooting a doe with 50bmg

Lol I know for a fact as I have had a .50 go by me. Total bs.... same as any other bullet. Secondly, 50bmg is not as devastating as a bullet with light construction like the 7 RUM. Way more meat loss from a slightly quartered shot from sub 100yards. Unethical??? Clearly these people need to look that word up and understand it before using it. If anything the rifle is a damn hindrance or inconvenience. Again personal experience. Packing a 27lb rifle sucks.
 
duncansuds said:
Lol I know for a fact as I have had a .50 go by me. Total bs.... same as any other bullet. Secondly, 50bmg is not as devastating as a bullet with light construction like the 7 RUM. Way more meat loss from a slightly quartered shot from sub 100yards. Unethical??? Clearly these people need to look that word up and understand it before using it. If anything the rifle is a damn hindrance or inconvenience. Again personal experience. Packing a 27lb rifle sucks.
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A friend of mine compares it to carrying around a fence post.
 
My 50 BMG is pushing 35lbs with bipod. And it's almost the width of a pickup truck. Hunting with it is no advantage, even at long range, there are plenty of more compact rifles and easier to shoot cartirdges. Still, using it is not unethical in any way-assuming you can make a kill shot with it.

I would never take it hunting on purpose, really, but I wouldn't rule it out if circumstances allowed it.
 
Gatehouse said:
My 50 BMG is pushing 35lbs with bipod. And it's almost the width of a pickup truck. Hunting with it is no advantage, even at long range, there are plenty of more compact rifles and easier to shoot cartirdges. Still, using it is not unethical in any way-assuming you can make a kill shot with it.
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I’m assuming that when they say “unethical”, they mean it wastes too much meat (at least, that’s the only possible explanation for their comments I can come up with). But as said above, a clean shot sideways through the vitals would damage very little meat, and ensure a quick death.
 
Gatehouse said:
My 50 BMG is pushing 35lbs with bipod. And it's almost the width of a pickup truck. Hunting with it is no advantage, even at long range, there are plenty of more compact rifles and easier to shoot cartirdges. Still, using it is not unethical in any way-assuming you can make a kill shot with it.
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there are much lighter and compact options........

It is pretty amazing that nobody brought up shot placement yet as a problem, just the caliber choice
 
kodiakjack said:
I’m assuming that when they say “unethical”, they mean it wastes too much meat (at least, that’s the only possible explanation for their comments I can come up with). But as said above, a clean shot sideways through the vitals would damage very little meat, and ensure a quick death.
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I just assume they are completely ignorant and get thier knowledge from Youtube, and think a 50 BMG will blow a deer into pieces. Just ignorant people commenting on something they don't know anything about.

Brian46 said:
there are much lighter and compact options........
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For sure there are, I'm just not that interested in them. I've got plenty of other rifles that I would prefer hunting with than any 50 BMG. Personal preference.
 
Brian46 said:
there are much lighter and compact options........

It is pretty amazing that nobody brought up shot placement yet as a problem, just the caliber choice
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???

kodiakjack said:
I think a head shot or even a double lung shot would do minor damage to the meat. The head or the rib cage and lungs offer very little resistance to such a heavy and toughly constructed bullet.

Consider this: a 750gr bullet has about 12000fpe at 2700fps. Now if passing through the rib cage and lungs decelerates the bullet to say 2400fps, it would still be carrying about 9000fpe. Which means it delivered the difference of 3000 fpe to the deer while making a half inch hole. Now consider that a 300winmag pushing a 150gr bullet at 2900fps also has about 3000fpe... and the softer bullet will expand and make a hole about half an inch. With good shot placement, the two cartridges aren’t that far off in what they’re capable of delivering to the deer.

Now that said, I’m not endorsing the cartridge choice. If you pull your shot and it goes through the shoulder or back through the hind quarters, there’s going to be a lot more deceleration for that bullet, and a lot more energy will be dumped into the meat, leaving very little for Sunday dinner methinks. As has been said on here a million times, shot placement is EVERYTHING. And it becomes extra important when shooting too small a caliber, AND too big a caliber.

That’s my $0.02 anyway.
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kodiakjack said:
I think I would counter that hunting with a 50bmg in the dark is unethical. Or maybe we could just shorten that to hunting with any caliber in the dark is unethical.

As with ANY caliber, shot placement is key - and it gets a lot harder in low light. He should have waited for a broad side shot, but was no doubt in a hurry because of the light, and chose a bad angle for any gun, especially a 50bmg.
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kodiakjack said:
I feel like maybe somewhere along the way, some folks have lost the meaning of these words...


unethical
[uhn-eth-i-kuh l]
adjective
lacking moral principles; unwilling to adhere to proper rules of conduct.
not in accord with the standards of a profession:
She treated patients outside the area of her training, and the appropriate medical organization punished her unethical behavior.



humane
[hyoo-meyn or, often, yoo-]
adjective
characterized by tenderness, compassion, and sympathy for people and animals, especially for the suffering or distressed:
humane treatment of prisoners.
acting in a manner that causes the least harm to people or animals:
humane trapping of stray pets.



Is using a 50bmg humane? Is it capable of delivering a consistent, quick kill? Then yes. It’s humane.

Is using a 50bmg ethical? Well, one of the tenets of hunters is to waste as little meat as possible. As was discussed above several times, shot placement is the key to this - no matter what cartridge you’re using. So yes. It’s ethical.
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kodiakjack said:
Sorry Galt. I should have been clearer.

Taking a shot at a deer in light conditions that do not permit proper shot placement is unethical.

Raccoon hunting involves lights, and coons treed by dogs that can’t go anywhere, allowing the hunter the conditions necessary for an ethical kill. Such conditions didn’t exist in the video above.
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(How to tell that I’ve made it onto somebody’s Ignore list :p )
 
I'm sure it works fine.
I liken it to the ( US side of the border ) guy who brings an AK-47 to hunt camp and can't understand why people look at him like him like he is wearing a kilt.
"Yep; it'll sorta work, but...nevermind. You aren't gonna get it anyhow "
 
Here is what a doe shot with a 50 BMG looks like. This was with a 650gr Barnes X bullet. A softer bullet would probably cause a little more damage. I find it somewhat ironic that people that have never even shot a .50, never mind hunted with one, are often the first to put down it's viability as a hunting rifle! First 2 photos are entrance side, second 2 are exit side. Doesn't look like anything "blown up" to me!
Oh, and in the OP video, he hit the deer in the head!
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He's maintaining his story, despite most people calling him a liar:


Pinned by Keith WarrenKeith Warren2 days ago

Thanks to everyone for watching and commenting on the video. I've taken some flak from those who believe I shot the doe through the eyes. I want to address that.I had every incentive to say I shot the doe directly through the eyes and was amazed at how little damage the (non-AP) round did. Certainly, it appears that way from the kill shot, and many people would simply leave it at that. However, that's not what happened, and I wanted to be completely candid with my fans. A taxidermist and I did a full necropsy of the doe's head, and there was no internal damage to the brain cavity or bone loss to the skull. It was one of the strangest things to ever happen to me afield, and I wanted to share exactly what happened with you in this video.As a final note, I want to emphasize that whatever reason you hunt, however you hunt, and whatever you hunt for, we’re all hunters -- and I support you. Far too many times hunters and conservation organizations divide themselves into their own special interest groups. I guess this division is inevitable as each of us have a favorite way that we hunt, but each of us should realize as hunters, all hunters, no matter where they hunt or what they hunt for, we’re special people. As special interest groups and the armchair experts divide hunters, I think it is time that all hunters unite--each and every one of us. Hunters should stand strong, stand proud and stand united because it's hunters that live their lives to the fullest making sure that future generations will have wildlife and wild places to enjoy. Good hunting,
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