Whatever dude. I like though that you now get that I tapped the charging handle and didn't have to "slap it" to clear my minor issue. That happened twice in my first 500 rounds through a new gun. In my hands, which admittedly only belong to a lowly range rat, sorry I couldn't be a tier one operator for you to discuss things with, about a rifle you don't have, will never have and apparently have zero interest in ever owning. But you feel the need to opine very strongly about?
You Don't Own A Type 81 - You Can't Speak For Us
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Whatever dude. I like though that you now get that I tapped the charging handle and didn't have to "slap it" to clear my minor issue. That happened twice in my first 500 rounds through a new gun. In my hands, which admittedly only belong to a lowly range rat, sorry I couldn't be a tier one operator for you to discuss things with, about a rifle you don't have, will never have and apparently have zero interest in ever owning. But you feel the need to opine very strongly about?
angrysoldier
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I think they were not popular and many moved away from them. I am only going by what I was told from a guy who knows a lot more about military firearms than I do.
I really couldn't care less if it has or has not seen much military use. It's a cool and reliable rifle that is fun to shoot and I can make magazines for it from $20 Pmags in about 3 minutes per magazine.
I think people are still butt-hurt over having to wait longer than some of the guys that ordered after them.
I remember posts with guys crying that they felt they financed the T81 with their early pre-order and felt they should have gotten preferential shipping while the late comers had to wait. Garbage, it's called a business loan, no one on here financed the order, the bank did and TI pre-sold them to pay it back probably so they could order something else to bring us.
There really isn't much about the rifle to hate, it does what it's supposed to do and mine at least lived up to my expectations for a rifle built in China.
Can you tell me how you modify the AK pmags?? Post some pics??
Not necessarily, abandoning the 81 and going back to the 56 (AK) would have been a straight up admission of "whoops". As it was this rifle came along a little too late, and was a solution to a problem only the chinese felt existed. That is not to say that the AK is not continued to be improved on and produced in new variants, but the 81 for the most part came when a new generation of weapons and design was taking over
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Read my whole post and understand my point before you make your thoughts.
r34skyline
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I didn't realize you needed to be a tier one operator to know basic weapons handling. And like I said post bs I will call it out, like its "esteemed military service" in the PLA. Call it what it is, a chinese rifle you bought for fun that for now works just fine(even though it already failed twice).
nah covering muh ears. T81 greatest gun evah
If you feel that 2 rounds out of the first 500 fired, getting slightly stuck on a feedramp is a "failure", well quite frankly I will leave it to others to form their own opinion of your posts. I know what I have concluded. I think most other people will call 2 rounds, both the first out of a mag, needing a little push on the charging handle, much less than "failures". Operator error is also possible, maybe those 2 rounds had burrs on their tips, maybe the feedramp wasn't worn in enough for them, there are so many "what ifs". But you have all you need to form such a strong opinion to assess them as failures. And by extension, from reading your posts, the 81 is a failure.
Your bias toward this rifle is obvious, leaping to judgement and calling minor issues "failures" betrays this. How many "failures" have you had with your AR's then? And I would be very suprised if a person such as you, who is so candid in their admission of their dislike for China, owns no AR's.
Your bias toward this rifle is obvious, leaping to judgement and calling minor issues "failures" betrays this. How many "failures" have you had with your AR's then? And I would be very suprised if a person such as you, who is so candid in their admission of their dislike for China, owns no AR's.
The type 81 was primary issue longer than the m14. Food for thought.
Not that these calibres coming in wouldn't be awesome but anything to back up this statement? Other than the fact variants in these calibres have been produced?
After the Russians and China falling out, China had to develop it's own small arms. The T63 was the first kick at that, mostly a POS so they went on and came up with the T81. That was also not so great, and shortly after they designed the QBZ95, which was also kind of ####ty, and now they are onto the QBZ03 which at least seems to be here for a bit.
So China has gone through 4 completely different ground up rifle designs since the M16 was adopted by the US in the 60's...which BTW are still using the same platform.
r34skyline
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Exactly one in over 4000 rounds, turned out to be an ammo issue, the primer would not ignite, easily rectified with a tap rack. It wouldn't matter whether that happened to a T81 or SKS or VZ, M4, HK416 whatever the firearm being, What you described is a bolt partially forward malfunction. The end. The only conclusion people will drawing is that you don't know what you are talking about from A incorrect remedial action, and B from refusal to admit to the failures for what they were. Easy to remedy or not, user induced or not you had 2 stoppages. Whether that's acceptable is up to people. With your level of knowledge on weapons handling I'm not sure I trust your assesment of what happened and while it's highly likely that it was incompetence on your part, it's also highly likely that your rifle has feeding problems.
Since all you guys are so adamant your shiny new rifle is awesome I hope I see one or two at the 3 gun matches.
Shush, it's the most amazeballs thing ever mk?
Another garbage rifle.
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Would LOVE to see the T81 in 223 !
Firearms history and evolution is definitely an interesting subject. So much of what influenced or caused a firearm to be made at the time is prime discussion topic material.
I find the Czech small arms history to be another example of this, I will now reference their answer to the AK, the 58
I find the Czech small arms history to be another example of this, I will now reference their answer to the AK, the 58
That's not quite accurate. The t81 has continued to evolve, with the t87, the Type 81 Tactical, the Lr14, and the NAR 10.
The t81 worked out fine for the pla. They went to a diferent gun because their combat doctrine changed to a bulpup requirement, not because the t81 didn't work out.
Exactly one in over 4000 rounds, turned out to be an ammo issue, the primer would not ignite, easily rectified with a tap rack. It wouldn't matter whether that happened to a T81 or SKS or VZ, M4, HK416 whatever the firearm being, What you described is a bolt partially forward malfunction. The end. The only conclusion people will drawing is that you don't know what you are talking about from A incorrect remedial action, and B from refusal to admit to the failures for what they were. Easy to remedy or not, user induced or not you had 2 stoppages. Whether that's acceptable is up to people. With your level of knowledge on weapons handling I'm not sure I trust your assesment of what happened and while it's highly likely that it was incompetence on your part, it's also highly likely that your rifle has feeding problems.
Since all you guys are so adamant your shiny new rifle is awesome I hope I see one or two at the 3 gun matches.
Shush, it's the most amazeballs thing ever mk?
Another garbage rifle.
Keep posting, you seem intent on proving my point as to your opinion.
And I am glad you got a perfect AR. From your definition of failures I have seen a lot of ####ty AR's.
And my stupid, amateur attempt to clear my very minor stoppages worked. Instantly and on the spot. So if it was stupid and it worked, was it stupid? So sorry I didn't clear it "right" lol
Those don't seem to be issued anywhere...made for export?
Anyway the bullpup fad only lasted 8 years in China...on to the QBZ03 which is a traditional design. Maybe this one will be decent and last a couple decades.
r34skyline
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You proved mine a long time ago. If you want to read how much I care feel free to refer to my post to sks45.
Learn to rectify stoppages... I might take you more seriously after you demonstrate you won't tex grubner yourself one of these days.
I have no doubt you have, I am aware there is a thing called a norinco ar after all along with NEA not to mention however many junk hobby guns.
And yes, yes it was. There are prescribed weapons drills for a reason. And you should be, then again it won't be a serious stretch to assume you don't have any serious hardware so why bother with any training right?
Or in another decade they will just copy the AK12.
AR's and AK's have gone through evolutions too, they have both been in continuous production a long time. So has the M2HB for that matter. The AR was the original plastic fantastic, Mattel toy gun that was ahead of it's time. Both it and the AK are answers to the same problem, approached from different points of view.
