Wolverine's WK180-C

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Have you guys seen issues of bolt carrier tilt causing wear in the upper. I have seen a similar design in the USA using AR-15 barrels and nuts and due to the change in geometry with the gas piston and the BCG there was noticeable wear in the upper receiver after only a thousand rounds. Im excited for a 7.62x39 model
 
Another great news for the Canadian market...... Thanks Wolverine! (2018 sounds like a year to remember)

Now, before I commit in buying one.......I will need to see how this rifle can be authorized by the ATF for temporary import.....
 
One question I have which may be silly or not, I don't know. With the originals the front handgaurd would split into parts two to allow removal or servicing of the gas system. With this system is the gas piston removable from the front through the gas block or will the handgaurd need to be removed for cleaning?
 
Direct competition? No? But a lot of MacDef buyers are buying not because they want a match grade rifle but a NR AR15ish rifle and MacDef is the cheapest way to get that other than SU16 and a few other rifles on the market. Up until recently, NR 223 Semi Auto "tactical" rifle that was decent was $2000+. A lot of MacDef guys jumped on it because they have a lot of accessories and spare parts for ARs and saw the receiver set as a way to use them up.

Mr Wolverine said:
I don't see our WK180C as direct competition to the Maccabee Defense, they are offering a matched receiver set that takes all existing AR15 parts that should give match grade performance. I see our WK180-C an economy utility rifle, there is a place for both.
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Mr Wolverine said:
Wow you have lot's of questions, let me work through them

Firstly we explained delivery and FRT in detail in the opening press release, we are keeping this as transparent as possible.
You can have a full refund at any time , less a $50 admin charge.
If you get stopped on the highway with a WK180-C, you have a firearm that is not prohibited, is semi auto only with a barrel over 18.5 inches and a OA length over 26 inches. I believe any LE Officer can seize any firearm and send it to their experts for identification, checking barrel length etc. How many LE Officers know how to correctly measure a barrel? I saw a member even ask that question on CGN today.What use would an FRT be? you may have cut the barrel back so she would be prohibited. Everyone needs to understand that the FRT is not Law.
No the RCMP can not make a stink and make it prohibited or restricted out of spite, the RCMP is an honourable Force, this is not Nazi Germany.
The CZ 858 "Debacle" was totally different to this case.
As I said you are welcome to a refund.

Please feel free to ask any more questions if things are still unclear.
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Sorry but I have been a gun owner for close to 25 years and if I am having difficulty with this FRT thing then newbies will too. I have a friend that just got his license and he is asking as he doesn't understand. I am trying to explain but I guess I am not as clear why the FRT # is not important when all other firearms I have gotten have one and SFRC prints out the one for the BCL102 and includes it when shipped. Maybe I am stupid, but I though every firearm model had to have an FRT number. Will this one eventually have an FRT number and a clear classification of it's status before we have them in our hand?
 
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Interesting rifle, but I feel it misses out on a couple of the truly great things the ar180b had going for it.

1. On the 180b, the flash hider is machined into the barrel, instead of being threaded for one to be added on. This allows you to have a shorter OAL. Made the 180b a bit more like a 16” barrwl with 2.6” flash hider, versus this 18.7” barrel with another 2” of flash hider added on top.
2. Medium profile barrel: I think this is a mistake in a gun like this. A lot of the balance issues associated with these long barreled NR rifles comes from a heavy barrel. The original pencil profile of the 180b helped mitigate the front heavy aspect
3. The handguard length. I know looks are subjective, but I feel like many NR guns look silly with a short rail and long barrel. Why not a 12” rail system? Especially if it’s a lightweight mlok design!
Like I said, cool rifle but I think I may hold out hopes for a future version with some of these changes.
 
ljones said:
Sorry but I have been a gun owner for close to 25 years and if I am having difficulty with this FRT thing then newbies will too. I have a friend that just got his license and he is asking as he doesn't understand. I am trying to explain but I guess I am not as clear why the FRt is not important when all other firearms I have gotten have one and SFRC prints out the one for the BCL102 and includes it when shipped. Maybe I am stupid, but I though every firearm model had to have an FRT number. Will this one eventually have an FRT number and a clear classification of it's status before we have them in our hand?
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The firearms act is the rule. It has definitions to what is prohib, restricted or non restricted. It begins and ends there.

The frt is the database of rcmp opinion as to whether a gun is prohib, restricted or non restricted as per the definitions of the firearms act.

Rcmp opinion is not law. Only the firearms act is law.

An encyclipedia of rcmp opinion is also not law, just because all the opinion is in one place.

You don't need rcmp opinion to know if a gun is one of the three as the rules exist without the rcmp saying what they think.

If the rcmp disagree with Wolverine's opinion, there is court. At court the rcmp expert gives his opinion based on the law, and wolverine's expert gives their opinion based on the law, and a judge says which one is right. As per the judges opinion of the law and how the gun fits the law definitions.

Simple.
 
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jrusseller said:
Interesting rifle, but I feel it misses out on a couple of the truly great things the ar180b had going for it.

1. On the 180b, the flash hider is machined into the barrel, instead of being threaded for one to be added on. This allows you to have a shorter OAL. Made the 180b a bit more like a 16” barrwl with 2.6” flash hider, versus this 18.7” barrel with another 2” of flash hider added on top.
2. Medium profile barrel: I think this is a mistake in a gun like this. A lot of the balance issues associated with these long barreled NR rifles comes from a heavy barrel. The original pencil profile of the 180b helped mitigate the front heavy aspect
3. The handguard length. I know looks are subjective, but I feel like many NR guns look silly with a short rail and long barrel. Why not a 12” rail system? Especially if it’s a lightweight mlok design!
Like I said, cool rifle but I think I may hold out hopes for a future version with some of these changes.
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1) Have an ar15 barrel made with an integrated flash hider. Swap it in for the original.

2) make it in a medium profile.

3) swap the handguard for a free float. Change gas block if necessary.

4) sell excess parts to cover costs.

See? Cool rifle you did yourself.
 
fenceline said:
The firearms act is the rule. It has definitions to what is prohib, restricted or non restricted. It begins and ends there.

The frt is the database of rcmp opinion as to whether a gun is prohib, restricted or non restricted as per the definitions of the firearms act.

Rcmp opinion is not law. Only the firearms act is law.

An encyclipedia of rcmp opinion is also not law, just because all the opinion is in one place.

You don't need rcmp opinion to know if a gun is one of the three as the rules exist without the rcmp saying what they think.
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But whether we like it or not the Libs have put firearms law in the RCMP hands. They have stated so openly. So yes RCMP opinion is law now. Or so the Libs have stated. So who to believe at this point. I am not trying to be a sh*t disturber. The government says one thing, you say another. It is getting bloody confusing. I am fairly new to black rifles so never had to deal with this much before but with the Libs and RCMP in lock step I trust neither. Also the Firearms Act is clear as mud. They can twist it any way they want and have given the RCMP the permission to do so. I just don't trust them. I am not looking to get a refund. We just have to be ready should they try anything and expect them to do so. With the new firearms control bill yet to come out I hardly think this and the BCL 102 will escape notice. They won't like it.
 
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