Mccabee or WK180?

What pre-order?

  • WK180 pre-order only

    Votes: 85 25.3%

  • WK180 in, Mccabee out

    Votes: 42 12.5%

  • Mccabee pre-order only

    Votes: 81 24.1%

  • Keeping Mccabee + ordered WK180

    Votes: 26 7.7%

  • None, yet

    Votes: 102 30.4%
  • Total voters
    336
  • Poll closed .
xdmer said:
It's in production and you can buy one now. FRT not complete, but it's also not a legal requirement. It has been submitted for FRT and is still waiting, receiver is built off the modern varmint as the parent.

ATRS prefers to wait until FRT is given, but you can take a chance and buy one now.
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I haven't been watching the atrs thing...

Are the receiver sets just stripped Varmiter receivers? Or have they been modified in some way?

*** disregard. Found the explanation...

alberta tactical rifle said:
No it won't as we have redesigned this to drop the spring loaded trunnion in the back of the lower so that a standard AR buffer retainer can be used as well as mil spec style fire control parts.
It is a different gun but shares the look and some of the features the MV does in order to hopefully keep the NR legal status.
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fenceline said:
I haven't been watching the atrs thing...

Are the receiver sets just stripped Varmiter receivers? Or have they been modified in some way?
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Different receiver set. The new Modern Sporter receiver does away with the need for proprietary parts that were needed for the MV.

The new receiver allows you to use all standard AR15 parts. There are two pin holes for trigger instalĺation allowing you to use any trigger you chose. It also uses a standard AR rear charging handle so no more proprietary (modified) BCG that was needed for the MV's side charging handle. The rear takedown method has been changed so there is no longer any interference with the safety selector switch. This also allows for the use of a buffer retaining pin which the MV did not. And the locating pin on the barrel extension is actually in the proper place.

Basically ALL standard AR15 parts can be used to complete the MS receiver. No more proprietary parts necessary.
 
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Thanks. Seems like the way it should have been built from the start. Once they experience success with this model, I can see the Hunter and Varmiter being pushed in the same direction. No sense doing extra work with proprietary parts.
 
Duncan71 said:
Can you confirm this? Can I drive to ATRS and buy this tomorrow?
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You can come in and fondle one but until we have the FRT do not plan to let any on these out. We do not like to potentially put our clients at risk legally for possibly being in possession of a restricted or worse prohibited firearm. There is NO reason the Modern Sporter should not have a NR legal classification as it is a direct variant of the NR Modern Varmint. HOWEVER we have seen guns like the GSG MP5 clone that does not share 1 single common part with the HK MP5 get prohibited classification based solely on looks.

I agree that the FRT is NOT law, but prefer not to put our clients at risk and certainly do not want to have any legal issues for anyone, so we will be patient rather than take the $$ and HOPE for a positive outcome.
 
Kidd X said:
AS I posted above, only 7075 is milspec approved for AR rifles. There's a reason for that....



You talk about expense then indicate you own an ACR?! Talk about an over priced product!
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Milspec is not always the best material or specification, in this case 7075 is superior but that doesn't mean 6061 is not adequate to provide a long service life.

How is an ACR overpriced? Have you ever held or shot one? You can buy a used restricted model for $2000 and convert it to non restricted for $500. I've owned two of them and neither has ever had a single failure and both were extremely accurate with a quality barrel installed. The only shortcoming with the ACR is parts support but parts are available and factory barrel kits are becoming easier to get.
I still own one and feel it's just as good or better than anything else on the market right now. I could easily sell it with my NR 300BLK and 223 conversions for more than enough money to buy whatever I wanted and it's still not for sale.

alberta tactical rifle said:
I smell a shill here. And can you please explain how you KNOW so much about my shop and where we are with production and FRT?
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He lives in Calgary, must be spying on you. Either that or he's just making sh1t up as he goes.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
You can come in and fondle one but until we have the FRT do not plan to let any on these out. We do not like to potentially put our clients at risk legally for possibly being in possession of a restricted or worse prohibited firearm. There is NO reason the Modern Sporter should not have a NR legal classification as it is a direct variant of the NR Modern Varmint. HOWEVER we have seen guns like the GSG MP5 clone that does not share 1 single common part with the HK MP5 get prohibited classification based solely on looks.

I agree that the FRT is NOT law, but prefer not to put our clients at risk and certainly do not want to have any legal issues for anyone, so we will be patient rather than take the $$ and HOPE for a positive outcome.
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Seeing as you have 2 of my rifles anyways - you bet I’m gonna come fondle it when I pick those up.
 
cr5 said:
Milspec is not always the best material or specification, in this case 7075 is superior but that doesn't mean 6061 is not adequate to provide a long service life.

How is an ACR overpriced? Have you ever held or shot one? You can buy a used restricted model for $2000 and convert it to non restricted for $500. I've owned two of them and neither has ever had a single failure and both were extremely accurate with a quality barrel installed. The only shortcoming with the ACR is parts support but parts are available and factory barrel kits are becoming easier to get.
I still own one and feel it's just as good or better than anything else on the market right now. I could easily sell it with my NR 300BLK and 223 conversions for more than enough money to buy whatever I wanted and it's still not for sale.



He lives in Calgary, must be spying on you. Either that or he's just making sh1t up as he goes.
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I know who he is and the latter is certainly the case.
 
Modern Sporter only exist as a receiver set, via ATRS, waiting on FRT.
HotSoup said:
I'm so confused.

Whats a modern sporter?
Are there any photos?
Price point.
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HotSoup said:
I'm so confused.

Whats a modern sporter?
Are there any photos?
Price point.
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It’s a new NR project from ATRS that is a simpler Modern Varmint with fewer (zero?) proprietary parts.

There are photos of the unassembled upper/lower in this thread and in ATRS forum. Edit: oh hey, there’s one right up there 👆

$975 projected for upper lower combo. Build your own rifle.
 
Kidd X said:
6061 is decent but it's not the same as 7075. Will that be a major issue? Who knows, but 7075 is the only material approved per milspec for AR rifles. Something to think about.
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The military specification document for M16 rifle (MIL-R-63997B) does not specifically name 7075 aluminum, it redirects to MIL-W-18355 (Military specifications, weapons: small arms and aircraft armament subsystems), where it just says the "materials shall conform to the applicable specification and drawings, No change or substitutions in material shall be made without prior approval of the contracting office", it further redirects to other specifications that takes it further away from the subject of the M16 rifle.

"Mil Spec" is an overused marketing term like " Match Grade" and "my feelings"
 
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