Troy par upgrade kit?
- Thread starter cmoney
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I'd try IRunGuns, they were bringing in some Troy stuff so they may have or can get whatever you want. Just have to wait for their next import batch from when you order!
In the mean time, rip off the side rails and put a grip on the lower rail, seems to work just as good on my 308 as it did with them on. I prefer the AFG on mine. Really changes the feel of the thing, much slimmer and less bulky. Just be careful not to punch yourself in the slots on the side.
Don't hold your breath on those "Upgrade Kits" - they were actually released to help correct a big flaw in the pump mechanism of the types 1 and 2 Troy POS Rifle (aka Troy PAR)
I have been waiting for a warranty replacement Troy PAR .223 National Op Rod / Guide Rod since October 2017 from Rampart (Canadian Troy Distributor). I'm still waiting 28 weeks later...
Apparently, I unwittingly purchased a "grey-market" rifle in August 2017 from IRG in Calgary. The rifle had completely failed during September just 5 weeks later.
The bottom line is that Rampart says if they didn't import it, they're not willing to help me even though Troy pays them an additional fee in these kind of cases. Rampart forwarded my claim to IRG who has remained "unavailable".
Eventually, after many phone calls, Troy dealt directly with me and said they wanted to do a complete overhaul at their factory in Massachusetts and even issued me with an RMA in January. They said that they would arrange with Rampart to deal with the pickup, cross-border BS and return of the Troy POS rifle at Troy's expense.
I have never heard anything from Rampart since Alyssa Fuentes at Troy arranged this RMA 12 weeks ago.
Numerous calls to Troy since then have yielded the same answer "we are working on it..."
Yeah, right...
I have been waiting for a warranty replacement Troy PAR .223 National Op Rod / Guide Rod since October 2017 from Rampart (Canadian Troy Distributor). I'm still waiting 28 weeks later...
Apparently, I unwittingly purchased a "grey-market" rifle in August 2017 from IRG in Calgary. The rifle had completely failed during September just 5 weeks later.
The bottom line is that Rampart says if they didn't import it, they're not willing to help me even though Troy pays them an additional fee in these kind of cases. Rampart forwarded my claim to IRG who has remained "unavailable".
Eventually, after many phone calls, Troy dealt directly with me and said they wanted to do a complete overhaul at their factory in Massachusetts and even issued me with an RMA in January. They said that they would arrange with Rampart to deal with the pickup, cross-border BS and return of the Troy POS rifle at Troy's expense.
I have never heard anything from Rampart since Alyssa Fuentes at Troy arranged this RMA 12 weeks ago.
Numerous calls to Troy since then have yielded the same answer "we are working on it..."
Yeah, right...
I put the upgrade kit through my PAR 308. And yes it's largely a rectification kit. Highly recommended.
However, the kit was missing a spacer and the new Rod Block didn't fit (and it was a bugger removing the old RB).
I've raised a ticket with Troy but their email communications run hot and cold.
Not sure what benefit the new Rod Block provides. I thought it was intended to replace an Aluminum RB, but my original RB was already made of steal.
However, the kit was missing a spacer and the new Rod Block didn't fit (and it was a bugger removing the old RB).
I've raised a ticket with Troy but their email communications run hot and cold.
Not sure what benefit the new Rod Block provides. I thought it was intended to replace an Aluminum RB, but my original RB was already made of steal.
Obviously, your Rod Block was already corrected with a Steel replacement. I would continue using your original. To re-install it, Use Red Loctite on the two (Grade 8) screws and torque them to 48-55 inch-pounds.
As far as the kit parts go, the new included Rod Block is made of Steel - on the types 1 and 2 rifles, the Rod Block was made of Aluminum. A hardened Steel Op Rod slamming to-and-fro against aluminum soon renders the rifle useless.
What useless turd-monkey on the Troy design team allowed this to happen? This error would be like an AR-15 being built with a steel bolt and an aluminum barrel extension...
Not quite so obvious as you assume.
Whilst both my old and new RBs are made of steel, the new RB is a slightly different design (apart from not fitting).
At this point Troy support ignored the fact that it wont fit and simply stated that I should use the new RB!
Can you point me to any reference on Type 1 and 2 rifles, I haven't heard this designation before. Cheers.
This is an excerpt from one letter that I sent on 6 Oct 2017:
Details of rifle:
Troy PAR National 5.56mm NATO s/n TPA03160###
purchased online 2 Aug 2017 (received 9 Aug)
seller: IRUNGUNS, Sherwood Park, Alberta
condition upon receipt: New & unfired
The Op Rod's forward-thrust shoulder has developed a radius and will no longer bring the bolt into battery (see photo below). In fact, most of the time, the mere resistance of a round in the magazine is enough to cause the op rod to release from its latch. The pump handle runs all the way forward without pulling the rod and bolt carrier along with it. I am unable to see if there is wear to the pump handle's Op Rod Latch shoulder. Upon installing the rod/carrier and pushing it fully forward, you can still hear an audible click as the latch engages...
This had happened occasionally since day one but has become progressively worse in the last 100 rounds fired and is now unusable. The rifle has seen exactly 1000 rounds mostly Lake City 5.56 NATO - all brass and no steel cases as per Troy's directions. There is no issue with extraction or ejection - clean with only a light pump required.. Rifle has been thoroughly cleaned and then lubed after each (100 round) range visit (I'm former military and was married to a FN FAL for 6 years).
There is a second issue also relating to the Op Rod. It can no longer be removed from the bolt carrier. Once rotated to align for removal, the rod will only move about 1mm before binding in hole. Both shoulders of the steel rod have formed a radius / burr on both (aluminum) shoulders inside the bolt carrier op rod socket. Why this op rod socket is aluminum is beyond me when everything else is hardened steel. This is a serious design flaw destined to failure - and it has! The op rod will need to be drifted out with a brass pin punch but I have not attempted this yet (due to likely warranty issues).
Final issue is a burr in the throat of the chamber - been there since round #1 (which I always keep as a reference). This causes SLIGHT resistance to chambering fully and always leaves a noticeable score mark on the neck of all fired cases. A chamber brush has not removed it thus far. I doubt that this is the root cause of the op rod issues but I thought it worth mentioning.
Further notes and observations since writing the above letter:
Two weeks after I wrote the above letter, I purchased and installed the original subject of this thread, the elusive "Upgrade Kit" (READ: "Repair Kit to correct design flaws"). This course of action was recommended to me as a "possible fix" by a technician at Troy in Massachusetts.
Did this fix my problems? Only ONE (paragraph 3 above), but the rifle is still completely non-functional. The problem in the first paragraph above still exists. IMHO, the "Upgrade Kit" should also include 2 x Rod Block Screws; Red Loctite; an Op Rod; an Op Rod Latch plus 2 x Op Rod Latch springs. AND, the Kit should be FREE to all PAR owners along with a letter of apology.
The burr in the chamber scores the case necks deeply enough that I'm not prepared to risk reloading anything fired out of this rifle. 1000 Lake City cases into the scrap metal bucket so far :-( What a bummer!
I offered to waive my warranty privileges and purchase the remaining parts that I need but to no avail. My requests have fallen on deaf ears. It is very clear to me that I am being punished for daring to buy from IRG.
I really do like the concept of the Troy PAR but knowing what I do now, I would never buy anything Troy again! Furthermore, I had no idea about any "Grey-Market" issues with firearm warranties in Canada so I will never purchase another firearm from IRG or similar businesses unless there is absolutely NO alternative. I didn't save a damned penny, I now own a useless $1,270 wall-hanger.
But life goes on and I really hope just one of you learns something positive from my misfortune...
It is the part that is bolted onto the top of the Bolt Carrier. The rear end of the Op Rod inserts and rotates into the Rod Block. Use a magnet to test if yours is steel or aluminum...
The op rod will need to be gently hammered out using a brass pin punch
Don't damage the Op Rod, they are made from hardened Unobtainium...
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I have the .300 aac national PAR . Having the same problem as K-C. No noticeable burr, but rounds are very hard to chamber . Basically I have to strong arm every round to chamber it . I thought it would break in after 400 rnds but still the same. Making it impossible for my wife to use .
I bought my par at rampart last fall . the other issue I had with my rifle was upon delivery my upper has over spray on the sides and too thick of a coat on top where sight flips down . The lower receiver is perfect . I emailed and rampart said it's "normal manufacturing process" . (my friends Norc AR had a better coating) .
I bought one of these because they had a sale and with a shield membership they were less than $600.
But looking at the paint on mine I feel this for sale batch may have been factory rejects sold at discount prices .
To the original op . I could not find an upgrade kit for my .300 . I took a gamble and got the .308 kit and everything fit .
I bought my par at rampart last fall . the other issue I had with my rifle was upon delivery my upper has over spray on the sides and too thick of a coat on top where sight flips down . The lower receiver is perfect . I emailed and rampart said it's "normal manufacturing process" . (my friends Norc AR had a better coating) .
I bought one of these because they had a sale and with a shield membership they were less than $600.
But looking at the paint on mine I feel this for sale batch may have been factory rejects sold at discount prices .
To the original op . I could not find an upgrade kit for my .300 . I took a gamble and got the .308 kit and everything fit .
The RB is located on top of the Bolt Carrier. It is attached with with screws. The RB mates with the operating rod.
Note. The upgrade kit comes with quite good step by step instructions with diagrams. I may be able to post some photos of the instructions if anyone is interested.
I do wonder if the upgrade kit was a sneaky attempt to avoid a product recall.
