Soldiers In Texas Are Putting The Army's Newest Marksman Rifle Through Its Paces
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I am not saying that KAC and LMT make low quality junk. The point I was making is that you can't assume that a product is high quality simply because it gets adopted by a certain military, especially one that has a history of procuring inferior weapons (it's not just the SA80; the Brits have a time-honored tradition of using inferior/inadequate equipment - think the Sten gun, Sherman and Matilda tanks, etc.)
As for the American firearms industry, it seems to be following in the footsteps of its British counterpart. But for the massive U.S. civilian market, the American small arms industry wouldn't exist today. When was the last time an American company came out with a truly new and innovative design? Armalite, circa 1950’s. Companies like KAC and LMT can make high quality copies of a 60-year-old design but even then, they can only do it in small batches (hence, most M4’s and M16’s are now manufactured by FN). U.S. gunmakers lack the capacity to come up with new, innovative designs and manufacture them to a high standard of quality on an industrial scale. Large American gun makers, like S&W and Remington, have such poor quality control that even the most hardcore “Buy American” civilian types are turning away from them.
It’s truly a mystery how a country that is by far the world’s largest consumer of firearms does not seem to know how to make them anymore. It’s like the French forgetting how to make wine and cheese.
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r34skyline
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I see this thread got derailed pretty hard. When did this become a bashing contest on who makes the better gear? Lmt and kac makes some great stuff. I am a perennial Hk fanboy. But that doesn't discount lmt or kac quality. Or colt canada for that matter. The red koolaid in my eyes is the best koolaid. But theres other tasty kool aid out there as well folks.
Because the gov can then sue hk. I don't remember the rule. Someone here confirm please? It's the same reason the mk23 is so expensive. But Hk can't sell it for less than what they charge the gov.
And if this is an actual gov gun that ended up in civvie hands well thats now a collectors thing. Limited hk long guns are known for their eye watering price *cough psg1 cough*
On a sidenote I wasn't aware of Hk even offering this as an option to the commercial market yet. Where are people getting that these are for sale?
Also last i checked the price was 12.3k per gun(including optics and the can and spare parts) so where is the 35 grand in gun and can coming from?
Because the gov can then sue hk. I don't remember the rule. Someone here confirm please? It's the same reason the mk23 is so expensive. But Hk can't sell it for less than what they charge the gov.
And if this is an actual gov gun that ended up in civvie hands well thats now a collectors thing. Limited hk long guns are known for their eye watering price *cough psg1 cough*
On a sidenote I wasn't aware of Hk even offering this as an option to the commercial market yet. Where are people getting that these are for sale?
Also last i checked the price was 12.3k per gun(including optics and the can and spare parts) so where is the 35 grand in gun and can coming from?
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My point was if you call a DI gun a "piston operated" rifle, which it technically is but is never referred to as such colloquially, then technically youd be correct in referring to a blowback as a "piston operated" rifle. An empty casing is a cylinder within a tube that moves under pressure from a gas to derive motion. The reason NOBODY does this is because it would be incredibly confusing to refer to every single blowback .22 or DI AR 15 as piston operated, differentiation is needed for incredibly obvious reasons.
There is a piston head right there on your bolt. Why do you need gas ring on there ?
As for the american gun industrie not innovating its because no one is... we have hit a plateau in small arms and everyone juste do ar-18 base guns. We will need caseless or something else before we see real change. Everything now is juste a pmag adaptor as Ian would say.
As for the american gun industrie not innovating its because no one is... we have hit a plateau in small arms and everyone juste do ar-18 base guns. We will need caseless or something else before we see real change. Everything now is juste a pmag adaptor as Ian would say.
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Neat looking rifle. That article needs some proof reading though. They seem to be confusing the HK416 and 417 at one point, as the 417 never fired the 5.56 cartridge as they state. After this they go on to say the 416 fires and even smaller cartridge to that. Obviously the 416 and 417 have always fired the 5.56x45 and 7.62x51 respectively and this new rifle is a direvitive of the latter.
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r34skyline
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They were refering to the csass which is 7.62x51.
The m38 dmr used by the marine corps is a revised m27 variant/hk416 which is a 5.56x45 gun.
Hope this clears up the article for you.
Those oss cans look like a pretty neat concept. No baffles.
Yep the rest of the article checked out for me, I just completely misread the third or fourth paragraph:
“The rifle is a variant of the Hecker and Koch HK417, which is itself a derivative of the AR-15/M16 series that fire the 5.56x45mm round. The German-headquartered firm also makes a rifle, the increasingly popular HK416, in the smaller caliber.”
Reading it again I mentally missed some words and commas hah. Cheers.
