The BCL WEJACK and CATAMOUNT

Wow so much flaming....

For those of you who cant read, the Wejack is the new BCL15. It's not compatible with the badger, which is extremely obvious if you looked at the renderings. Further evidenced by the lack of an 18.5" version.....its says restricted right in the description.

Flame all you want but at least try and keep the rhetoric reasonably accurate.

Please continue. I'm enjoying the tears while I wait to place my order on the new badger and trigger pack.
 
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DT741 said:
Post #37 is missing one thing to be perfect
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Yes it was a good retort!

cr5 is correct about one thing they have had far too many problems over the years, and no I don't buy all the reports of problems, or greatness for that matter...this is the internet after all, Trolls and Shills can be found everywhere!

As for the alloy, I really don't have a good enough understanding of the merits of one over the other, or if it is due to how they manufacture their parts for that matter, it just "feels" like they are being cheap.
 
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rommelrommel said:
I want to see Canadian companies succeed. NEA supported the CZ/VZ rifles quite well, and seem dedicated to bringing NR rifles to market. There’s a lot to like, if the products can back it up.
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Which they can’t.... and they never have. Their entire history as a business is plagued with nothing but problems.
I hope they go under again in all honesty. They make a junk product that caters to the budget minded new guy type who doesn’t know enough to avoid their ####ty product.

Hell, their is an article out there of a few NEA rifles that were sold legally to the Iraqis from not too long ago, guess where those rifles ended up? Literally, found in a ditch.
 
Early, early on I bought a barrel from them. It was cheap. It was also heavily corroded and pitted. They never said it was used, as is, or whatever. Years later it's in a bin. I wouldn't have the guts to even give it away. Maybe I'll use it for a .22 LE build.
 
redshooter said:
As for the alloy, I really don't have a good enough understanding of the merits of one over the other, or if it is due to how they manufacture their parts for that matter, it just "feels" like they are being cheap.
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For the most part 7075 is more of a marketing tool than anything else. From a manufacturing standpoint it is easier to machine than 6061, which tends to be a little more gummy.

In cases of catastrophic failure, 6061 is more likely to bulge and deform, whereas 7075 is more likely to fragment on detonation.

Theres only a small percentage of shooters who would put enough rounds through a rifle to justify the marginally longer service life of of a 7075 upper.

Alot of this stuff boils down to marketing to peoples egos. Pretty hard to convince someone to replace a perfectly good rifle with a new one if it's exactly the same. *shrugs*
 
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ThatM305Guy said:
For the most part 7075 is more of a marketing tool than anything else. From a manufacturing standpoint it is easier to machine than 6061, which tends to be a little more gummy.

In cases of catastrophic failure, 6061 is more likely to bulge and deform, whereas 7075 is more likely to fragment on detention.

Theres only a small percentage of shooters who would put enough rounds through a rifle to justify the marginally longer service life of of a 7075 upper.

Alot of this stuff boils down to marketing to peoples egos. Pretty hard to convince someone to replace a perfectly good rifle with a new one if it's exactly the same. *shrugs*
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You seem to forget that these aren’t anodized. My main concern are elongation of the take down and trigger holes.
 
Epoxy7 said:
You seem to forget that these aren’t anodized. My main concern are elongation of the take down and trigger holes.
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I actually didn't forget anything. I was answering an unrelated general question about aluminum alloys. No one is arguing that anodizing isn't a good idea on aluminum rifle actions.
 
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6061 has a tensile strength of 45,000 psi, with a yield point of 40,000 psi. The Brinell hardness is rated at 95. The elongation at break is 12% and shear strength is 31,000 psi. 6061 has a thermal conductivity of 170 W/m-K. And finally, its strength to weight ratio is rated at 115 kN-m/kg.

7075 Aluminum (T651) features a tensile strength of 83,000 psi, with a yield point of 74,000 psi. The Brinell hardness is rated at 150, with the elongation at break being 10%. It offers a shear strength of 48,000 psi. Its thermal conductivity is rated at 130 W/m-K with a strength to weight ratio of 196 kN-m/kg.

Seems that 7075 is a good bit stronger than 6061. More difficult to machine and about twice the cost of 6061.
 
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People will flame NEA until the badger comes out. Then they will fly off the shelves for the first few months. Guys will pre order like 10 of them only to resell them on the EE for a massive profit to those who arebtoo impatient to wait for retail.

Once people start having problems with them, everyone will sell them on the EE for a loss. It's the NEA full circle.
 
ThatM305Guy said:
Wow so much flaming....

For those of you who cant read, the Wejack is the new BCL15. It's not compatible with the badger, which is extremely obvious if you looked at the renderings. Further evidenced by the lack of an 18.5" version.....its says restricted right in the description.

Flame all you want but at least try and keep the rhetoric reasonably accurate.

Please continue. I'm enjoying the tears while I wait to place my order on the new badger and trigger pack.
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Wow, speaking of people who can’t read...
 
enefgee said:
The Peshmerga. Who actually are people you don't want to be angry with you, it'll end badly.
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Do the Pershmerga have a lot of helicopters for airborne ops and suppressors??? I doubt it..

ThatM305Guy said:
Wow so much flaming....

For those of you who cant read, the Wejack is the new BCL15. It's not compatible with the badger, which is extremely obvious if you looked at the renderings. Further evidenced by the lack of an 18.5" version.....its says restricted right in the description.

Flame all you want but at least try and keep the rhetoric reasonably accurate.

Please continue. I'm enjoying the tears while I wait to place my order on the new badger and trigger pack.
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Oh we can all read. The Wejack is a very poor wannabe AR. Not sure if you or NEA/BCL has been watching but the AR market is very soft right now with the handful of non res options now available. Bringing out a "new" wannabe AR in the soft restricted market and with their reputation is a very bad choice.

The Badger looks to be another attempt at making a 102 that works. Which like the Wejack makes me ask why?? With their reputation for rubbish products and the Stag 10 being light years ahead on all fronts, there's no logical reason to even experiment with the Badger.
 
Yycbulletsandbrass said:
Do the Pershmerga have a lot of helicopters for airborne ops and suppressors??? I doubt it..



Oh we can all read. The Wejack is a very poor wannabe AR. Not sure if you or NEA/BCL has been watching but the AR market is very soft right now with the handful of non res options now available. Bringing out a "new" wannabe AR in the soft restricted market and with their reputation is a very bad choice.

The Badger looks to be another attempt at making a 102 that works. Which like the Wejack makes me ask why?? With their reputation for rubbish products and the Stag 10 being light years ahead on all fronts, there's no logical reason to even experiment with the Badger.
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Um......

Have you seen or handled the wejack? How do you know it's a very poor wannabe AR and not just......an AR?

The Badger isnt a 102.....the reason they are bothering is because the stag 10 is .308 and the badger is long stroke piston 5.56.....

Wait are you trolling me??
 
ThatM305Guy said:
Um......

Have you seen or handled the wejack? How do you know it's a very poor wannabe AR and not just......an AR?

The Badger isnt a 102.....the reason they are bothering is because the stag 10 is .308 and the badger is long stroke piston 5.56.....

Wait are you trolling me??
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Can you tell us what the wejack does better than a proper quality milspec AR doesn't? The BCL/NEA reputation makes predicting the outcome of these rifles rather easy.

I'm mistaken on the badger, had it confused with the cata whatever you call it. Not sure what the fascination with piston guns is. They're heavy, often have excess recoil impulses and don't do anything special.
 
Yycbulletsandbrass said:
Can you tell us what the wejack does better than a proper quality milspec AR doesn't? The BCL/NEA reputation makes predicting the outcome of these rifles rather easy.

I'm mistaken on the badger, had it confused with the cata whatever you call it. Not sure what the fascination with piston guns is. They're heavy, often have excess recoil impulses and don't do anything special.
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No idea. It's just an AR like any other NEA15 that they've been making for years. Some good some bad.
Perhaps I was alao confused...You sounded as though you were under the impression that the Wejack was the Badger. Which is the reason for my response. It's just an AR like any other. Though probably not anodized lol. Unless they added the equipment for it when they moved facilities...which is possible I guess but I'm not holding my breath.
 
They just rebranded their guns. The wejack is just the nea/bcl ar 15 and the catamount is the bcl 102. The badger hasn't been out in the wild yet.
 
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