what dog for ducks and grouse?

riversrest said:
Thanks bud, just keep on double/triple posting your Woodle Pointer pics. The Internet needs it.

RR
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Well, I dunno about the whole internet, but *I* sure do. If there's one thing the Mrs likes too, it's pics of pudlepointers. It's an easy win.

Also I think you're confusing yourself? I sure don't see where SC had posted a duplicate pic.
 
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reddog said:
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I HAVE ONE OF EACH THE GSP DOESNT LOOK happy but she is deadly on pheasants but hates rain ,and well the lab the worse the weather the more he likes it ...
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Lolololol the look on the GSP Laugh2
 
I’m sorry I didn’t know this thread existed sooner. I’d love to know more about the pointing Chesapeake, literally the first time I’ve ever heard of one pointing. And I’ve gunned over likely 100 pointing dogs of every imaginable breed as a participant in field trials.

While we are all talking best breeds for general bird hunting, let me say the Springer Spaniel is where 90% of all current hunting breeds began, they are see much less than labs or GSPs now but there is a very strong argument for them as a general purpose dog.
 
Turkeyslayer 1300 said:
I’m sorry I didn’t know this thread existed sooner. I’d love to know more about the pointing Chesapeake, literally the first time I’ve ever heard of one pointing. And I’ve gunned over likely 100 pointing dogs of every imaginable breed as a participant in field.....
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I will collect pictures of the dog hunting/pointing during next (non predator hunting) season in BC here.

After having had all kind of dogs from swimming Border Collies to ladder climbing Belgium/German Shepherds and herding Pit Bull hybrids I did not realize a CBR pointing at birds and game in general is such a big deal, thought they all do it.

RR
 
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riversrest said:
I will collect pictures of the dog hunting/pointing during next (non predator hunting) season in BC here.

After having had all kind of dogs from swimming Border Collies to ladder climbing Belgium/German Shepherds and herding Pit Bull hybrids I did not realize a CBR pointing at birds and game in general is such a big deal, thought they all do it.

RR
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Does the Chesapeake actually point or did you just “whoa break” it? A lot of the pointing labs work like that. How long does he hold, or is it just a flash point for a few seconds. Sounds like a neat set up either way.
 
I saw a “pointing lab” once. It truly was a “pausing lab” and didn’t point at all in a traditional sense IMO. It was a dog that became cautious and cat like once it got onto birds. The owner liked it and that’s great for him and he was convinced his dog pointed.

If someone could show me a chessie that can effectively and truly point ruffed grouse, than I would like to see it as much as I would like to see a unicorn. I have a DD that is a “pointer” that I can’t get to properly point ruffed grouse...he is force fetched however and can retrieve pretty darn well. Not as good as a chessie, but pretty darn well. So, IMO opinion, if you are looking for a dog to work both ducks and grouse, the versatile breeds are the most realistic option. The pointing of grouse side is the toughest nut to crack, but duck retrieval can be taught.
 
Just for the sake of clarity and since this thread has already diverged, are the staunch pointer fans in this thread stating that flushing dogs such as springer spaniels are not capable or suited to upland and grouse hunting?
 
Jim870 said:
Just for the sake of clarity and since this thread has already diverged, are the staunch pointer fans in this thread stating that flushing dogs such as springer spaniels are not capable or suited to upland and grouse hunting?
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I sure hope they aren’t making that claim. If we want to compare upland time in the field and dead bird numbers Springers and Labs have pointers beat by a country mile. The most popular upland breed in the states is the Lab.

I have 4 or 5 species left and I’ve taken every legal gamebird in Ontario over my springer, he picks ups Honkers and ducks just fine as well.
 
Different style of hunting. I would not want a flushing dog like a springer (a very nice dog as far as pets go) because I hunt in very close quarters. The pointer allows time to get set for a shot.
Jim870 said:
Just for the sake of clarity and since this thread has already diverged, are the staunch pointer fans in this thread stating that flushing dogs such as springer spaniels are not capable or suited to upland and grouse hunting?
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Jim870 said:
are the staunch pointer fans in this thread stating that flushing dogs such as springer spaniels are not capable or suited to upland and grouse hunting?
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Not at all. I had a springer as a teen. Loved him and shot grouse and woodcock over him. We had a lab in my 20s. Great dog when it came to water retrieval. I understand why people get passionate about their chosen breed and that's great.

I like hunting over pointers and used to do a bit of waterfowling. I chose the wirehair/DD because it suited my hunting style is all.
 
limit time said:
looking to buy a dog, that i can train to hunt ducks and upland game birds.
what breeds are good for this?

thanks.
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IMO ruff grouse are about the most difficult bird to hunt the king of birds and it’s a religion. While they aren’t for everyone EP/ES excel at grouse hunting there is no reason an experienced EP / ES should be in gun range. 50 pound dogs are better to handle / haul and last longer in the field.

Fair chase hunting well off the road shooting pointed birds on the wing makes for long days and frustration. Not much more rewarding experience getting that one perfect bird.

Don't make a compromise for upland / waterfowl get 2 dog’s one for each life is short.
 
If you have the chance I’d highly recommend hunting over a right working springer or cocker. You would be presently surprised at how many more birds you will put up, I like the heart attack flush at 3 yards, it gets quite addictive.

It’s legal to use a dog for fall turkeys in Ontario and my Springer will circle the flock and bust them towards you just like he does with grouse, very sporty shooting.

That being said I am getting on the list for a Griffon pup this year with any luck.
 
Bland said:
Different style of hunting. I would not want a flushing dog like a springer (a very nice dog as far as pets go) because I hunt in very close quarters. The pointer allows time to get set for a shot.
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You have not hunted over a properly trained flushing breed. I can walk to a thicket, signal my Springer to circle and work the cover toward me with verbal or whistle commands (or hand signals when she is in sight) and have her flush the birds right to me.
 
I'm a Drahthaar fan as well, my current dog Nos is a well rounded hunting dog who points, retrieves & blood tracks. Not to mention being a good dog around family.

Cheers
Jay
 
hoytcanon said:
You have not hunted over a properly trained flushing breed. I can walk to a thicket, signal my Springer to circle and work the cover toward me with verbal or whistle commands (or hand signals when she is in sight) and have her flush the birds right to me.
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I wouldn’t consider a springer in the same class as say a lab when it comes to flushing, springers are light years ahead same with finding dead birds.

Not my idea of a grouse dog though.
 
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