BB - I think that every forum has a learning curve. It is there for all to learn from and not to degrade. Did members from SKS-Files know about all the transitions and features of the 50 until I posted it? NO. The 50 with spike is still debateable and as you know you lost that battle to Loose -Cannon. This is my only comment in this post. Bye.
1958 (K) Factory Matching Letter Series SKS
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Incorrect. There was no winner or loser. The fact remains that it is undetermined if any 1950 carbines were issued with spike bayonets.
Possibly they were. Also, possibly they were not.
Your 1950 carbine makes a good argument in favor. But no definitive claim can be made.
No need to get upset. It's called a forum for a reason. Look it up if you've forgotten what it means.
Possibly they were. Also, possibly they were not.
Your 1950 carbine makes a good argument in favor. But no definitive claim can be made.
No need to get upset. It's called a forum for a reason. Look it up if you've forgotten what it means.
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It's called a forum for a reason. I suggest you Google it if you don't know what it means.
If you back up to the first page of this thread, you will see that pcvando and Horilka literally taunted an invitation to come play.
Essentially, contentiousness is what they were seeking.
So, I did, and in kind fashion.
No harm intended. But mollycoddling isn't what debates are about. And that's what this is, at is essence.-- a debate. (See first and second sentences).
Feel free to only look at the pictures of the absolutely beautiful rifle that pcvando shared. No need to participate if you might get your feelings hurt, or your sensibilities bruised.
As it stands, I'm somewhat leaning to the consideration that there might have been.a very, very, very small percentage of 1957 and 1958 carbines issued in hardwood stocks. Exceptions to a rule, but far from a standard.
In a universe of infinite possibilities, anything is possible.
However, the op rifle still bears various indications of non original condition. And, imho, is not a candidate for proving the claim that pcvando and Horilka want it to.
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Please do.
All serials, ep and stamps . Surfaces and cartouches. Muzzle, receiver cover etc. As much detail as possible.
Thanks!
gewehr76
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These SKS threads are very entertaining as well as informative, thank you guys from US and Canada.
SKS is such a prolific carbine however its use is somewhat misunderstood. SKS was never meant to be front line weapon, its mostly used to be issued to guards and secondary troops in Soviet army, troops that have first objective other than shooting and fighting on front line. Therefore almost all SKS carbines in Soviet union were mainly carried and rarely shot.
My father served in Soviet army for 3 years from 1959 up to 1962. First year in basic he was issued AK, then the rest of his service for 2 years he served on railroads and was issued sks. According to him he only shot his issued SKS 2 times. 10 rounds total, 5 rds when issued to him and 5 when his service was done. I might even have his carbine if only he could remember serial number lol.
Thus, some of these carbines, depending to what units they were issued to had no significant round counts. They went through multiple refurbishment processes only due to external damage or fault. Some had to be completely refurbished, some had to be just reshellacked and or worn out butt plates repainted and in order not to confuse buttplates from one to other during refurbishment they epd serial numbers on them. Bayos may have been replaced or screws lose etc.
Therefore its highly unlikely that any of the SKS carbines since 1950's to present days had not gone through any form of refurbishment at all, again some more some less. Therefore if some one states that their Soviet SKS carbine is non refurbished, one has to take it with grain of salt.
The only way to be sure is if documented sks was taken from Tula or Izhevsk plant and stored in Museum and then sold to collectors, other than that no way of proving it.
Nice rifles guys, keep pictures coming.
SKS is such a prolific carbine however its use is somewhat misunderstood. SKS was never meant to be front line weapon, its mostly used to be issued to guards and secondary troops in Soviet army, troops that have first objective other than shooting and fighting on front line. Therefore almost all SKS carbines in Soviet union were mainly carried and rarely shot.
My father served in Soviet army for 3 years from 1959 up to 1962. First year in basic he was issued AK, then the rest of his service for 2 years he served on railroads and was issued sks. According to him he only shot his issued SKS 2 times. 10 rounds total, 5 rds when issued to him and 5 when his service was done. I might even have his carbine if only he could remember serial number lol.
Thus, some of these carbines, depending to what units they were issued to had no significant round counts. They went through multiple refurbishment processes only due to external damage or fault. Some had to be completely refurbished, some had to be just reshellacked and or worn out butt plates repainted and in order not to confuse buttplates from one to other during refurbishment they epd serial numbers on them. Bayos may have been replaced or screws lose etc.
Therefore its highly unlikely that any of the SKS carbines since 1950's to present days had not gone through any form of refurbishment at all, again some more some less. Therefore if some one states that their Soviet SKS carbine is non refurbished, one has to take it with grain of salt.
The only way to be sure is if documented sks was taken from Tula or Izhevsk plant and stored in Museum and then sold to collectors, other than that no way of proving it.
Nice rifles guys, keep pictures coming.
..is BB that guy @ the Gun Shows with that {WAR} Scoped SKS special sauce that saw action" for like 9++hundreds? So, any word on if any of these {yours} Letter K's are NOT Chrome lined? Any word about the # on the front sight post? {1, 2 or 3} ? T.I.A~
Nope. That's not me. I'm all standard configuration only
All the Soviet sks45s were chrome lined 1953 onward. Some1952s will be chrome lined, some will not.
The numbers 1,2,3 on the front site post are most likley sizing references to match the inner circumference of the front sight assembly with the outer circumference of a given barrel during manufacture.
So first things first, I accept that I don't know a lot about these so if I was wrong in my description earlier I apologize. Mines a lot more beat up than the OP's, it is exactly the way it came out of the generic cardboard box at Cabelas (minus a few pounds of Cosmoline). The flash really does it no favors though. You can see how heavy they went with the shellac, it actually dripped out of one of the crossbolts and partially obscured one of the Cartouches. Also what looks like a crack on the bolt is actually a black stain, will have to give this thing a more thorough cleaning (friend borrowed and didn't do a very nice job of cleaning...). Only part that doesn't have a serial number seems to be the spring loaded gas tube pushrod, it just has a little triangle on the end. No black paint on this rifle, its all blued.
Guilty as charged, Boris! You're definitely not disappointing me (especially in my observation that you can't read and comprehend what I'm saying).
Moreover, I can confess that all I know about SKSs I gathered exclusively from your posts as I trust only your knowledge (not so much this other guy that was here, he had this blasphemous suggestion that K-series might have hardwood stock) . I haven't finished reading all of your posts yet so my education will be finished only next week, still need to learn about stars.
I'm in a good mood today, I won't leave this post without something your board could benefit from. Also I'm very generous, so I'll give you, Boris, an opportunity to be a part of great new discovery. Well, maybe not that great, but new knowledge is always good in our hobby, right, Boris? All you need to do is take this message to your board, there's a gentleman there, nicknamed running-man, who is doing heavy lifting and I like that he bases his conclusions on observations and facts, not on fantasies and "logically you would think", though couple of small things he got either wrong, or just missed, dunno... any way, a message..
No, wait, first of all - I'm sorry, but I can't say anything to you directly because you know, you can't comprehend and proved it so many times, so I'll get something to this running-man, he'll make a conclusion, he'll tell on your board and then you will believe in it, and then you will get back sometime here and tell "here how it is" and FINALLY I will have a chance to learn something new from these graceful educational messages you spread on CGN. That's my plan, al'right?
Back to the message. Tell him, there's a guy on CGN, that knows no chit, owns no SKS, just started learning about SKS from your posts, has no relatives and no personal experience working at factory, and overall just a rude a**hole. Tell that this guy claims the spirit talks through him, spirit of Agafya Yerofeevna Petrova, scrubwoman that worked in 1950x in factory's administrative building. And the message is:
Horilka-
I'm sorry you got your feelings hurt yesterday. But glad to see you are in a good mood today.
You have the wrong idea about the sks-files forum. I don't report to anyone, anywhere. I look at the evidence. And if it says refurb, I say so.
So, go ahead and message rm yourself. You may be pleasantly surprised to find out that many others do not, in fact, hold the same opinion as I do regarding the 1957 and 1958 hardwood vs laminate stocks.
Seriously, though, there is no need to get yer short pants in a twist because I don't take you at your word for experience and "expertise". To put it as simply as I can, the fact remains that EP serials on the gas tube and piston are remedial sks facts. The fact that you had no idea of this until apparently last month (as you so deftly exhibited in previous posts), demonstrates a very large gap in your sks knowledge. It's nothing personal. Sorry you took it that way.
I'm sorry you got your feelings hurt yesterday. But glad to see you are in a good mood today.
You have the wrong idea about the sks-files forum. I don't report to anyone, anywhere. I look at the evidence. And if it says refurb, I say so.
So, go ahead and message rm yourself. You may be pleasantly surprised to find out that many others do not, in fact, hold the same opinion as I do regarding the 1957 and 1958 hardwood vs laminate stocks.
Seriously, though, there is no need to get yer short pants in a twist because I don't take you at your word for experience and "expertise". To put it as simply as I can, the fact remains that EP serials on the gas tube and piston are remedial sks facts. The fact that you had no idea of this until apparently last month (as you so deftly exhibited in previous posts), demonstrates a very large gap in your sks knowledge. It's nothing personal. Sorry you took it that way.
So mines a refurb eh? Time for a Tapco stock! Haha not really, so in all likelihood my stock is not original to my rifle but was force matched? However it goes I really like the stock, lots of very deep black on it. I'll take a decent pic outside in sunlight later on.
The markings on the top of the barrel (under the hand guard) and the tiny diamond shape logo on the right side of the receiver are Molot markings.
The Molot factory produced small arms before, during, and after the Great Patriotic War. In the post war years they continued to produce small arms and other machinery for commercial markets. At some point they gained access to a supply of SKS45's in various states of condition, which they re-furbished for commercial sales both in the former Soviet union and abroad.
You got one of the good ones. Nice catch.
15 Sleeping beauties.
Very nice.
This is a good example of why I ask to see the annealing stripes on the receiver covers.
The rifle on the left has a prominent stripe. Whereas the ones I've highlighted exhibit signs of an annealing stripe obscured by re-bluing:
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No-no-no, don't get serious bud, please don't. You remember Fun Bob that was fun for a reason? You don't want to become Boring Boris.
Of course I did not know anything until last month. Maybe my subconsciousness knew something, dunno? Adios, dear "expert". Everyone who wanted to know about hardwood stocks in Letter series has already came to conclusion, so really nothing to discuss here, at least with you. Sincerely thank you for all the fun.
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