Am I the worst shooter on the forum or the worst at story telling
- Thread starter blackburbot
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- Sherwood Park. AB
If I can lay down and shoot MOA then i'm happy.
The rifle (custom gun) is capable of shooting 1/2 MOA, however I am not most days.
People like to lie through the medium of the internet because it takes away real accountability.
I would say the last groups I shot were approx minute, to just over minute precision.
Accuracy about .2 Left low... Pushing the rifle with the shoulder.... just another error to correct (and has been).
Bullets don't lie. Be honest with yourself always, as the very expensive toy will tell you what are doing wrong if you listen (save money too), as most times its a shooter error not a hardware error that leads to inconsistent shots on (or off) target!
Pete.
The rifle (custom gun) is capable of shooting 1/2 MOA, however I am not most days.
People like to lie through the medium of the internet because it takes away real accountability.
I would say the last groups I shot were approx minute, to just over minute precision.
Accuracy about .2 Left low... Pushing the rifle with the shoulder.... just another error to correct (and has been).
Bullets don't lie. Be honest with yourself always, as the very expensive toy will tell you what are doing wrong if you listen (save money too), as most times its a shooter error not a hardware error that leads to inconsistent shots on (or off) target!
Pete.
"4" All day" is a stretch...
But 5 shot groups at 200 yards that size is not a problem for any decent 22 LR rifle such as CZ 452 Varmint even some Savage Heavy Barrel MkIIs can do it in reasonably calm conditions.
I've done it many times myself when working out my zeros to 300 yards. I shot one group about a week ago that was under 0.9 inches wide and about 5 inches high at 300... probably a little less than 5" actually... don't remember exactly of the top of my head. I've shot smaller groups at 200 yards... 200 is much easier than 300.
The first problem is spotting the hits, so you need a good clear high res spotting scope. You also need a decent target turret scope like the Vortex 4-16 FFP Diamond Tactical or better. (The resolution on the Diamond Tac is not the greatest... hence the need for a good spotting scope)
Then the speed of the ammo needs to be fairly consistent, otherwise you will get 4 inches or more of vertical stringing. So don't expect 4" with that 550 round bulk ammo you bought for 18 bucks, but you can do it occasionally, depending on luck of the draw.
You don't "need" Eley Tenex to do it, RWS Pistol Match is good enough or Eley Force or SK Standard... depends what your rifle likes.
If you were at the Rimfire PRS match in Aymer on Saturday and wanted to bet against guys doing it from a bench you would have lost your money more often than not.
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Meh. I dont actually pay much attention to it anymore myself. I used to, but, as I've been learning, I'm getting better at detecting diarrhea and its becoming way easier to separate the ludicrous from the possibly plausible.
I still laugh every once and a while when i read or hear about feats bordering on divinity. ok dude, whatever you say. Say, I thought we werent allowed to use shotguns on the target backers. Oh, that wasnt your shotgun you were using? ok then, well you have a great afternoon here.
LOL
I still laugh every once and a while when i read or hear about feats bordering on divinity. ok dude, whatever you say. Say, I thought we werent allowed to use shotguns on the target backers. Oh, that wasnt your shotgun you were using? ok then, well you have a great afternoon here.
LOL
I'm happy getting 4 minutes of Moose when I'm hunting. Ha
Try pulling this off after a 400 run, then plow throw 100 yards of buck brush to get the shot off. LOL
Yuppers,,, pulling off the groups at the range is one thing,,, much different then shooting free hand when a person is gasping for air. LOL
Try pulling this off after a 400 run, then plow throw 100 yards of buck brush to get the shot off. LOL
Yuppers,,, pulling off the groups at the range is one thing,,, much different then shooting free hand when a person is gasping for air. LOL
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
Me an' the boys down at the gravel pit, we found this 'er targit shootin
' thing a tad too easy. So, big Nick, he's a welder by trade, he had an idear. He welded a big old hunting knife to a block of steel, and then he put two candles out just past the knife, one each side.
Now I figured this was just one of them trick shots like the old wild west shows, where you put out the two candles. But then ol' Nick, he puts up two angled plates out beyond the candles, and a target back of that.
He set hisself down and fired five shots.
The first shot put out the candles no problem, but he kept shooting.
Had to go look at that target. 400 yards is a fair little ways, so we took the ATV down there.
Damn, somehow he had them bullets hit in mid flight and weld themselves back together (I told you he was a welder right?) and he got a minute of angle group to boot!
I gots to thinking later that maybe he pulled a fast one on me. It was cheating not to re-light the candles.
' thing a tad too easy. So, big Nick, he's a welder by trade, he had an idear. He welded a big old hunting knife to a block of steel, and then he put two candles out just past the knife, one each side.
Now I figured this was just one of them trick shots like the old wild west shows, where you put out the two candles. But then ol' Nick, he puts up two angled plates out beyond the candles, and a target back of that.
He set hisself down and fired five shots.
The first shot put out the candles no problem, but he kept shooting.
Had to go look at that target. 400 yards is a fair little ways, so we took the ATV down there.
Damn, somehow he had them bullets hit in mid flight and weld themselves back together (I told you he was a welder right?) and he got a minute of angle group to boot!
I gots to thinking later that maybe he pulled a fast one on me. It was cheating not to re-light the candles.
Has anyone here had good luck (or maybe skill?) shooting MOA repeatedly with a light weight hunting rifle ( under 7lbs with optic) with a decently powerful round? I bought a very light rifle in 308 win as many others made it sound as if if they were wonderful to carry and with a little practice are just as accurate as any other rifle. I have tried to tweek rounds and perfect form and be good with the fundamentals but I have found it to be frustrating and futile. It's fine for closer ranges for minute of deer but I don't have any confidence in it for longer shots as I do with my heavier rifles .... Although it is very easy to carry.... Am I nuts?!
r34skyline
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Lighter gun will jump more. Do you have a muzzle brake or a comp to mitigate the muzzle rise/push?
For initial shooting for mechanical accuracy there will be negligible differences in your groups.
But the barrel will heat up and your groups will open up faster.
For a hunting application. I absolutely say go with the lightest gun you can shoot(this includes recoil management not just accuracy, light magnums kick hard, and i mean hard)
For the tactical or serious long distance shooting... a heavier gun with a chunkier barrel would be my preffered option.
Ya I experienced same thing with 7mm-08 in a 6lb Browning.
Rifle was beautiful and very accurate.....but it bucked like a mule off the bench.
I think it would have been better to have a at least a 22" barrel vs 20".
That's why I like 9-10 lb total weight for my rifles.
That's refreshing to hear. The lighter rifle certainly jumps more and recoils harder which is why I really tried to mechanize my form. I agree a muzzle break would help but for hunting I prefer not to wear ear plugs so there was trade off there. And in developing a round it's hard to shoot many strings without the little barrel getting very hot and further wondering the POI.... I love a challenge but have been frustrated with this one.
I also agree that around the 9-10 lb mark seems to be a nice spot for a rifle you carry but still need the ability to shoot a decent distance. It's as though they had already figured that out !! lol
I also agree that around the 9-10 lb mark seems to be a nice spot for a rifle you carry but still need the ability to shoot a decent distance. It's as though they had already figured that out !! lol
- Location
- Northern Alberta
For light weight hunting style rifles I usually bring a stop watch with me and set the timer at 2.5minutes. Open the bolt and drop the magazine if practical. Hit the start button after you fired and wait the couple minutes. I find the barrel cools just a bit more that way and also allows you to reset your positions and get the frustration of a bad shot or pulled shot out of your head. But I'm lucky, have a private range so don't have to worry about others wanting to hang targets/check targets. Just have pesky deer that want to check targets while you shoot....why can't they do that during hunting season.
Like others said, practice shooting different styles. Point of impact will change when you transition to multiple positions. Know how the rifle will shoot off the bench compared to free standing to resting on a tree branch. Remember that cold bore compared to something with a warm barrel will shift point of impact too.
Like others said, practice shooting different styles. Point of impact will change when you transition to multiple positions. Know how the rifle will shoot off the bench compared to free standing to resting on a tree branch. Remember that cold bore compared to something with a warm barrel will shift point of impact too.
''If you ignore that flyer on my 3 shot group, it's sub moa!'' I've seen that and it kills me. If it's a 3 shot group I ignore it. Even one 5 shot group can be a lucky one. Do multiple groups of 5 or a group of 10 and I'll be inclined to believe it.
All you need is to find better challenge. A challenge which rates your shooter skill over any ammo / rifle combination.
Cabin Fever Challange 2019 for instance:
https://youtu.be/kfquji5WErk?t=70
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbKq1wy3hlA
when you compare your scores with other people and once they got all the challengers videos you can even watch what ppl do better than you.
Cabin Fever Challange 2019 for instance:
https://youtu.be/kfquji5WErk?t=70
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbKq1wy3hlA
when you compare your scores with other people and once they got all the challengers videos you can even watch what ppl do better than you.
Yuppers,,, the old guy hit the nail on the head
I like my 8 lb ish rifles for hunting,,, not the lightest nor the heaviest,,, the good enough for hunting in the 4 minutes of Moose.
Of course if I can get it planted on the sticks,,, then reaching out there increases the odds of more distance.
Tight groups in my world happen at the range with my heavy weight units that come out on the odd hunts,,, its so I can justify owning them,,, but I'll take the lesser when it comes to putting on the miles in my boots...
Lots of free hand shooting started this winter as I continue to improve it as long as the body and mind allow.
We see lots of good shooters at our range that have the skills to pull off consistant good shoots,,, just happens to be that I'm not one of them. LOL...
What I lack in Moose minutes,,, I make up for in freezer food,,, that's what really counts in my books.
Hopefully I learn more about missing then being able to pull off the perfect shot every time. A learning tool to incress the odds.
I like my 8 lb ish rifles for hunting,,, not the lightest nor the heaviest,,, the good enough for hunting in the 4 minutes of Moose.
Of course if I can get it planted on the sticks,,, then reaching out there increases the odds of more distance.
Tight groups in my world happen at the range with my heavy weight units that come out on the odd hunts,,, its so I can justify owning them,,, but I'll take the lesser when it comes to putting on the miles in my boots...
Lots of free hand shooting started this winter as I continue to improve it as long as the body and mind allow.
We see lots of good shooters at our range that have the skills to pull off consistant good shoots,,, just happens to be that I'm not one of them. LOL...
What I lack in Moose minutes,,, I make up for in freezer food,,, that's what really counts in my books.
Hopefully I learn more about missing then being able to pull off the perfect shot every time. A learning tool to incress the odds.
I got a chance to try my new to me burnt out barreled / Remmy 700 BDL,,,.big Grin from ear to ear when it produced a 5 minutes of Moose at 600 meters. Ha...
Any shooter behind this package would deffinatly get an eye opener on watching boolitz fly right left of center. Ha...
Some times the group is spot on,,, next time it's totally different story,,, its like the suprize gift that you could never guess what's inside... LOL...
More shooting time to find out if it will group better,,, if not,,, its replacement barrel time...
Good times finding out what works and what doesn't...
Any shooter behind this package would deffinatly get an eye opener on watching boolitz fly right left of center. Ha...
Some times the group is spot on,,, next time it's totally different story,,, its like the suprize gift that you could never guess what's inside... LOL...
More shooting time to find out if it will group better,,, if not,,, its replacement barrel time...
Good times finding out what works and what doesn't...
If it groups well - but to different places, I would re-bed the rifle.
