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Apparently there is an after season hunters report that we in Ontario are obligated to complete, after your turkey season is finished.
Something about the mandatory nature of this raises my hackles, and when I got an email saying if I didn't complete it, I may not be eligible for more tags I thought I better fill it out. Guess what, the website/survey doesn't work, the little circle cursor just spins around. Sigh
 
I got mine done the other day, and my son's too. I just googled Ontario turkey hunter report and got it no problem, you need an account and to login, then it only takes a minute or two. No issues and if it means I get my tag next year I am more than willing to do it.
 
Took all of 3 minutes and was painless. When we talk about the conservation value of hunting a big part of it is the voluntary reporting of info captured in these surveys.

They dont really ask you anything personal.
 
Not sure what the issue is?? They have made it easier this year than years past. Previous to this year if you were successful you were legally obligated to report your bird by noon next day including measurements of the bird. This year it is just a simple after season report. Maybe you don’t like the threat of not receiving tags next year but what do you think would of happened in years past if you were caught harvesting birds and not reporting?? Might be a little stiffer than not receiving a tag next year......
 
How long have you been turkey hunting? I’ll venture a guess and say it was after the requirement to complete the mandatory wild turkey course was eliminated.

Nothing wrong with completing a survey.
 
How long have you been turkey hunting? I’ll venture a guess and say it was after the requirement to complete the mandatory wild turkey course was eliminated.

Nothing wrong with completing a survey.

3 or 4 years. Just know that they sent me the email. And perhaps nothing wrong with completing a survey, but to threaten no game tags unless....
 
3 or 4 years. Just know that they sent me the email. And perhaps nothing wrong with completing a survey, but to threaten no game tags unless....

If there were no penalty for not completing the report, how many hunters would just say "screw it..." I am betting most, and sounds like you would be one of them.

As said above, it is quick and easy to do... I prefer this online system to the old mail in cards that were required and that you had to post.
 
I have to agree with the notes about the threats of charges and future hunting if no report submitted. I have always reported any survey the MNR wanted. That includes deer, moose and bear. Heck I have even did wing and tail collections for the feds. BUT to now be told I could face charges or have my rights to hunt a species the next year revoked because I did not submit a report just kind of bugs me. In a nutshell, voluntary no problem, mandatory ( even the sound of the word is maddening) does not fit well with cooperative management plans between hunters and the MNR. The argument about how easy it is to complete misses the mark.

Darryl
 
I don't think it misses the mark at all. They have done everything possible to get as many people out hunting turkeys in the most convenient way possible. If the survey wasn't mandatory a vast number of the lazy people who are now taking advantage of this super convenient new system wouldn't complete it. Spend 3 minutes of your life filling out the survey and less time crying about it. If someone isn't responsible enough to complete the survey, their privilege should be put on hold moving forward until they are responsible enough to comply with this very simply ask
 
Again right over your head. I did not say I would not complete the survey I always have. I am not "lazy" or "not responsible enough" when it comes to completing surveys. I just don't feel we have to have mandatory reporting. Your reference to "3 minutes to fill out a survey" does not make any sense when the issue is mandatory vs. non mandatory.

Darryl
 
No....Again over your head....I never said you wouldn't complete it and I never said you were lazy or not responsible enough. But there are many who are. I’ll break it down for you with a history lesson...skip passed the numbered bullets to get to the point

1) Turkeys exterminated in Ontario due to habitat loss, but primarily UNREGULATED HUNTING. Last native wild turkey was recorded more than 100 years ago in 1902
2) Turkeys were unsuccessfully re-introduced in Ontario multiple times, most recently in the 1960’s
3) An effort to reintroduce them in 1984 was deemed to be successful. A total of 274 birds were released. A subsequent release of a couple dozen birds was made in 1997 in eastern Ontario.
4) Ontario’s first regulated wild turkey hunting occurred in the spring of 1987 In WMU 68 and 71 and hunters were required to purchase a MANDATORY game seal. Seasons consisted of two 1 week sessions
5) Today there are 48 WMU’s that support a spring season and 22 that also support a fall season
6) Initially hunters wishing to hunt wild turkeys were required to complete a MANDATORY in person course and pass a wild turkey hunter exam in order to purchase a seal.
7) Hunting hours were limited from half hour before sunrise up to 12:00 noon and it was MANDATORY to bring harvested birds to a reporting check station prior to 5:00 pm the day the bird was harvested
8) As populations increased, regulations became less restrictive. A regular hunt commenced in 1991
9) The use of decoys was permitted in 1997 and the one bird limit was increased to two birds in 1998.
10) In 2000, the spring season was expanded
11) In 2005, hunting hours were extended to 7:00pm
12) In 2007, check stations were replaced by MANDATORY reporting by telephone.
13) In 2012, the MANDATORY wild turkey course and testing was starting to be offered online
14) In 2013, MANDATORY harvest reporting was offered online
15) In 2016, the MANDATORY course was eliminated but the MANDATORY harvest reports were maintained
16) In 2019, for the convenience of hunters, a new online system was expanded to purchase, print and report. MANDATORY REPORTING also extended until June 14th

Im getting old and my memory has been lost somewhere between here and who knows where, so many details listed may be off or left out, but I hope the general point is understood. If it isn’t, I cant help you.....but the general point is that we are where we are because of many MANDATORY issues that were required during Ontario’s 32 year wild turkey hunting history. Those MANDATORY requirements have been continuously updated and upgraded. Today, we find ourselves with the most convenient and lenient wild turkey hunting season(s) we have ever had. Yes, there are still some MANDATORY requirements, but those requirements have been made so convenient and simple that for hunters that have been enjoying this great pass time over the last 32 years really appreciate.

Everyone who has purchased a tag has the duty to report their activities so that we can continue to expand on our great wild turkey hunt and program for the thousands of hunters that will follow in generations to come. Note the use of the word DUTY.

Im of the opinion that when advancements make things too convenient for the masses, the sacrifices made in the past to get to that point are lost and we are left with the entitled and victim culture we readily see in today’s society where a 3 minute MANDATORY survey becomes a source of stress and butt hurt. The survey is made MANDATORY for the very reason that people have the attitude that they shouldn't be mandated to do anything because apparently the world owes them something. Get over it, stop feeling offended and complete the 3 minute survey....
 
Of course we are allowed to disagree. Im not butt hurt at all. Im just pointing out how crying about a 3 minute survey is perceived. Also pointing out another example of the entitled culture we live in.

Whether we like it or not, we lost the right to hunt wild turkey’s freely when we exterminated them in the early 1900’s. My family has no ties to the people of Ontario from that time period. Heck, my parents weren't even born. But I say “we” because we are the sum of our history whether we like it or not. The whole point of this survey is to help in the protection of what was once lost. If that offends you...well....I don’t have a prescription for your problems
 
Don't some states like Maine have to report wild turkey and big game taken within 18 hours at local check stations or charges are laid? I would think 2 weeks to complete a quick questionnaire online is a bargain. But maybe they are more serious about the conservation of their wildlife.
 
No....Again over your head....I never said you wouldn't complete it and I never said you were lazy or not responsible enough. But there are many who are. I’ll break it down for you with a history lesson...skip passed the numbered bullets to get to the point

1) Turkeys exterminated in Ontario due to habitat loss, but primarily UNREGULATED HUNTING. Last native wild turkey was recorded more than 100 years ago in 1902
2) Turkeys were unsuccessfully re-introduced in Ontario multiple times, most recently in the 1960’s
3) An effort to reintroduce them in 1984 was deemed to be successful. A total of 274 birds were released. A subsequent release of a couple dozen birds was made in 1997 in eastern Ontario.
4) Ontario’s first regulated wild turkey hunting occurred in the spring of 1987 In WMU 68 and 71 and hunters were required to purchase a MANDATORY game seal. Seasons consisted of two 1 week sessions
5) Today there are 48 WMU’s that support a spring season and 22 that also support a fall season
6) Initially hunters wishing to hunt wild turkeys were required to complete a MANDATORY in person course and pass a wild turkey hunter exam in order to purchase a seal.
7) Hunting hours were limited from half hour before sunrise up to 12:00 noon and it was MANDATORY to bring harvested birds to a reporting check station prior to 5:00 pm the day the bird was harvested
8) As populations increased, regulations became less restrictive. A regular hunt commenced in 1991
9) The use of decoys was permitted in 1997 and the one bird limit was increased to two birds in 1998.
10) In 2000, the spring season was expanded
11) In 2005, hunting hours were extended to 7:00pm
12) In 2007, check stations were replaced by MANDATORY reporting by telephone.
13) In 2012, the MANDATORY wild turkey course and testing was starting to be offered online
14) In 2013, MANDATORY harvest reporting was offered online
15) In 2016, the MANDATORY course was eliminated but the MANDATORY harvest reports were maintained
16) In 2019, for the convenience of hunters, a new online system was expanded to purchase, print and report. MANDATORY REPORTING also extended until June 14th

Im getting old and my memory has been lost somewhere between here and who knows where, so many details listed may be off or left out, but I hope the general point is understood. If it isn’t, I cant help you.....but the general point is that we are where we are because of many MANDATORY issues that were required during Ontario’s 32 year wild turkey hunting history. Those MANDATORY requirements have been continuously updated and upgraded. Today, we find ourselves with the most convenient and lenient wild turkey hunting season(s) we have ever had. Yes, there are still some MANDATORY requirements, but those requirements have been made so convenient and simple that for hunters that have been enjoying this great pass time over the last 32 years really appreciate.

Everyone who has purchased a tag has the duty to report their activities so that we can continue to expand on our great wild turkey hunt and program for the thousands of hunters that will follow in generations to come. Note the use of the word DUTY.

Im of the opinion that when advancements make things too convenient for the masses, the sacrifices made in the past to get to that point are lost and we are left with the entitled and victim culture we readily see in today’s society where a 3 minute MANDATORY survey becomes a source of stress and butt hurt. The survey is made MANDATORY for the very reason that people have the attitude that they shouldn't be mandated to do anything because apparently the world owes them something. Get over it, stop feeling offended and complete the 3 minute survey....

Very good and informative post - thank-you for putting that together. I totally agree with all your points.

At the same time, I can understand the OP's feelings - I share them to a degree.

I believe it's purely natural that anytime a person, who is not an absolute cuck (which most hunters are not), is told that they HAVE to do something, it tends to "raise their hackles".

It would be great if all hunters voluntarily reported, for the benefit of all, without being told they have to, but that would only happen in the Leftist's world of Unicorn farts & Fairy dust.
Penalties for non-reporting are taking it a bit far, rather than relying on the general conservatory nature of most hunters to volunteer the information. It's a fine line, and the age-old argument of 'where do you place the goal-posts'.

I will continue to report all requested hunting information (until they start asking for personal or non-relevant information), because it's something I would have done anyway. And I will continue to have slightly raised hackles, because I was told I HAD to.

Happy hunting all - and please do your part to introduce our great sport to the next generation.

Rob
 
that would only happen in the Leftist's world of Unicorn farts & Fairy dust.

Haha...thats funny

It would be great if all hunters voluntarily reported, for the benefit of all, without being told they have to

I will continue to report all requested hunting information (until they start asking for personal or non-relevant information)

The survey doesn't ask any personal questions at all. It will ask general questions like how many days did you hunt....how many birds did you see....what WMU’s did you hunt. It not an invasive questionnaire which is why its bothersome that people are crying foul about it. It would be great if all hunters voluntarily did their part, but this thread is clear evidence of that never happening. Its unfortunate that there is a “penalty” for non compliance, but there is some form of penalty for non compliance for everything in life. I dont know why this should be any different
 
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The secondary question is, how much of the reported information be it deer moose, black bear , wolf or turkey related is actually being used to help "manage" our game. I have it on good authority that for a long time now the decision making level of the MNR is prone to ignore survey information based suggestions made by biologists and game managers. I hope the Ford government continues to review the old plans and bring in new plans that benefit game and hunters alike.

Darryl
 
^^I agree with this and we may never know how the info is being used. I suspect that the results or findings from the turkey surveys are not only used by MNR but also by the OFAH as they were pivotal in the reintroduction of wild turkeys to Ontario. Historically, reports were only submitted by hunters who harvested a bird. A problem with that is that there are around 45,000 tags sold and only some 9000 birds harvested. Hunters who have not harvested a bird also have knowledge of valuable information that these organizations want to know and need to know. Again, we may never know how that info is being used, but if history continues to repeat itself, we may see further expansion of our turkey seasons and limits. Also, info about our wild turkey population could be used to support expansion into other provinces as it happened in the early 2000’s when Ontario birds were captured and released in Quebec.

I do not see the harm with a mandatory reporting. But again, I’ve been hunting these birds since its early days where much more rigid mandatory requirements have always been the norm.
 
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