The 22 Creedmoor

I too don’t see how the .22 Creed could match or beat a handloaded .243, more capacity in the .243 and it’s more efficient at turning that powder into velocity. I see plenty of applications for fast twist 224s on light big game, I’d definitely chase goats with a fast twist .22-250 and therefor by default a .22 Creed. And this said you don’t need to go as heavy in .224 to obtain the top BCs, which is attractive if the goal is nil recoil but lots of reach. But a .224 with equal handloading attention will eek it out.
 
*.243 with equal handloading attention that is. But we can play that game right up to the RUMs, “one step more and...” History has been pushing us smaller and faster with big game rifles, the Creed-.22-250-x47 Lap-BR case size range is a pretty sweet little pocket of efficiency. Like that M70 look me up if ever bored of it, I’d put it on the mountain goat rocks. :d
 
I’ve never seen a deer not die with a hole in the chest. The question really becomes, how far can you effectively hit a deer properly with the 22 Creedmoor and expect sufficient expansion and penetration to do its job?
 
hoytcanon said:
I'm surprised that it does well with RL22, but it surely does... I have been working with the ELD bullets in 6mm and 6.5mm and they have some challenges in the short action chamberings I am using... I am very tempted to build an LA in one of the short 6.5's... throated for the ELD.

I see you have the 88 ELD @ 2.75(ish), you wouldn't have a picture of the round beside the bullet showing the seating depth would you?
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To bad they don’t design a case that allows breathing room for the heavies in a short magazine box.
 
chuck nelson said:
To bad they don’t design a case that allows breathing room for the heavies in a short magazine box.
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They did, in the 70s, the BR. ;) I love the 6BR and have never hunted with it, but would have zero concerns doing so.

Buckmastr said:
That’s nice.
So what is this distance?
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The 88gr ELD load the OP posted has 1,000ft-lbs at 600 yards, 1,000ft-lbs is the traditional deer cutoff of the Internet expert college.
 
Ardent said:
They did, in the 70s, the BR. ;) I love the 6BR and have never hunted with it, but would have zero concerns doing so.



The 88gr ELD load the OP posted has 1,000ft-lbs at 600 yards, 1,000ft-lbs is the traditional deer cutoff of the Internet expert college.
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That's impressive, even more so with a 22 cal match bullet.
 
How far away would you shoot a deer with a .243? After using a .223 or .22-250 and a .243 some for deer, I have reached the conclusion that there is about as much difference between them using identical construction bullets as there is between a .25-06 and .270. The one downside to the .22's is high BC medium game bullets aren't as common but options like the LRX, Accubond and Scirocco are certainly up to the task beyond most hunters abilities.
Myself I really try to keep shots at healthy game to under 300 yards regardless of rifle, but practice much further and this is where the .22 centerfires really shine. Even premium bullets are usually reasonably priced so you can afford to practice lots with your exact hunting load and they are so fun and easy to shoot that even kids want to practice lots.
 
Buckmastr said:
Nice shooting Tod.

Gives new consideration to the 243 Winchesters ability.
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243 is a good cartridge, I've owned a few and loaded for more. 75gr Vmax @ 3550 fps is possible

Compared to a 224" 75 Amax @ 3350, it still comes up short. The 243 has lost its 200 fps advantage by 300 yards, and at 500 yards its over 100 fps slower than the 22cm. 25% more wind deflection with the 243. Recoils harder too.

As loaded, the 22cm is effective to 1100 yards. The 243, 900 yards.

Buckmastr said:
What would be your effective range of a 22CM on deer sized game?
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Barnes claims 1900 fps for proper expansion from the 77gr LRX, When launched @ 3300 fps MV, 2200 fps impact would come at 500 yards.

Nosler claims expansion down to 1800 fps for the 70gr Accubond. 70gr Accubond @ 3500 fps MV, 2100 fps impact @ 550 yards

Swift Scirocco, 3400 fps MV, 2300 fps @ 520 yards
 
Gatehouse said:
Using a .22 centerfire cartridge for hunting is unethical. I learned this on CGN

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Nevermind unethical, its illegal in Alberta to hunt big game with a 22 cal cartridge.

Maybe you guys in BC are more recoil sensitive?
And they were tired of hearing about all the sore shoulders from your 243 Winchesters. The 22 CM will be perfect for you thin, light framed, men.:dancingbanana:
 
They work, .224s, just swell- no different than a .243 frankly. :) They come with caveats, don’t try to break major bone, but by and large will do a better job of most species than a .45-70 and certainly compared to the .44 Mag carbines, and even the .30-30s when the range is stretched slightly. For me it’s not about recoil, there’s plenty of .375s and even a couple worse in the safe that see use. It’s about rifle weight and noise, the 5.6x50 Mag I built weighs 3 3/4lbs, it’s like carrying a Red Ryder BB gun, which is nice on a backpack hunt. It’s also more tolerable to shoot noise wise burning 27grs of powder than my larger rifles burning two or three times that. Light, fast rifles for light fast hunting help add to the pleasure of it, for me, and they kill very well. Bigger means nothing without shot placement, to repeat what we all know, I’ve seen poor kills with poor placed .375s and a .416. Also not going to sit here and pretend I’m a super hunter who doesn’t need more than a .22 while others do. It’s simply a matter of pick your shots, remember the limitations of what you’re using. I’m slowly losing interest in telling people they’re doing things the wrong way when it works for them.

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