Province proposing changes to moose hunt
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trkyhunter
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- ontario,not toronto
would be nice if they posted the fee structure.when the government says it will cost a little more to get tag that will mean it will be priced way too high for most.also very hard to plan a hunt if you don't know if you will get a tag.deposits have to put down to hold spot in camps but won't know if you get tag till too late,deposit gone no hunt that year
So long as person declining tags see their tags redrawn for someone else rather than being able to exchange them with s9meone else this is a better process...as a hunter who hunts with 4 to 6 hunters max due to our cabin size i am glad to see the end of group tags
So essentially this just increases the number of teirs infinitely until your pool group shrinks t9 the point where your oddds of a tag increases the longer your in the pool......
Q- if i get a moose tag what is the incentive to ever enter the draw again? I will forever be theoretically behind in points from all the other hunters in my area that have more points and didnt get a tag...... i see this as a once in a lifetime tag with the proposed system.
Its just subsequent years that would be lost....as of now as long as i have appl8ed for a moose tag our camp has had nothing but calf tags in 6 years
So essentially this just increases the number of teirs infinitely until your pool group shrinks t9 the point where your oddds of a tag increases the longer your in the pool......
Q- if i get a moose tag what is the incentive to ever enter the draw again? I will forever be theoretically behind in points from all the other hunters in my area that have more points and didnt get a tag...... i see this as a once in a lifetime tag with the proposed system.
Its just subsequent years that would be lost....as of now as long as i have appl8ed for a moose tag our camp has had nothing but calf tags in 6 years
Yes but that doesn't answer my question. Do you need a regular hunting license to apply? In Ontario the moose license is a second license you have to buy, right? My question is whether the draw application fee is the only fee you need to pay to get a point, or do you need to buy a general hunting license to apply as well?
Edit - I now see there isn't a general hunting license in Ontario, it's small game or species specific. So theoretically it should only be the application fee?
No. The system is a way to distribute tags, it is not what determines how many tags are given out. How many tags are given out has nothing to do with whether its a lottery, point system, or a combination of the two.
They are proposing a change to the tag structure too, but that also has nothing to do with whether its a lottery or point system.
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You need an outdoors card, basically a piece of plastic that proves you've taken a hunter safety course or held a licence before. With that you can purchase any other licence, including fishing, or participate in draws.
This is exactly what is happening.
and I don't blame them for it. As hunter's we've taken on the responsibility of being stewards to the out of doors. That includes funding it and although it sucks that people who don't pay into the conservation model still get to enjoy what comes with it (I'm looking at you hikers) I also don't really want them to have a say when it comes to how animals are to be managed.
I live near nowhere with a huntable moose population but depending on how the point system works I might start putting in to collect points just in case my circumstances happen to change. Granted I'm also the type of person to buy a tag for pretty much everything in my WMU because I know even if I don't fill them the money is going towards wildlife management. Even a whole years worth of hunting tags is a Hell of a lot cheaper than what my friends spend on ice time or green fees.
That’s pretty much it but they have been lambasted with complaints about the present moose tag draw system far a long time so decided to do a major change.
Too bad they didn’t look at the Quebec system as it works well and with only a few changes would work well in Ontario.
Does the money from licenses and tags go directly to conservation in Ontario? In BC it all goes into general revenue (almost all of it at least, there is a small surcharge that goes directly to conservation but its not much compared to the other costs)
What sort of system does Quebec use? Simple lottery? Lottery with points to give extra entries in the draw? Or something else entirely?
There is no draw basically. Depending on the area (ZEC) you are hunting, it requires 2, 3, or 4 hunters per moose tag, you buy over the counter. One year is bulls only, the next is either ###. I believe however some areas now are bulls only for consecutive years. Details might have changed, I stopped watching their regs in 2017 when they made it mandatory for non-residents to use an outfitter.
Parts of their system are good though. For example if you only have 3 hunters in your party, you look to find an area that will allow a moose to be taken with 3 tags attached. If you have 6 hunters in that same area you could harvest 2 moose with 3 tags on each. The area will require a certain amount of tags and that's posted earlier in the summer so one can plan ahead for your fall hunt.
In Ontario we only find out if we drew a tag in the lottery on 01 Aug and the Archery opener starts in late Sept. I'm retired so can plan no problem but most in out Moose group still work so getting last minute time off is a challenge.
