1958 (K) Factory Matching Letter Series SKS

Boris Badinov said:
There is ZERO evidence that crossbolt stamps are definitive an indication of an original condition anything. The notion t h at they are an indication of original state, is a myth. Simply repeating something a million times doesn't make it true.

So far, a grand total of NO ONE knows what crossbolt stamps indicate, or when they were applied. It's purely conjecture.

Because of this, there's an equally plausible argument to be made that the crossbolt stamps are related to the stock alone, and have nothing to do with the overall rifle or originality of condition.


Hearsay.
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Oh my word.

You don't stop eh?

Btw, I am sure it feels nice having you butt handed over to you on your beloved SKS-Files forum... they really proved you wrong with the EP butt plates hahaha
 
pcvando said:
Oh my word.

You don't stop eh?

Btw, I am sure it feels nice having you butt handed over to you on your beloved SKS-Files forum... they really proved you wrong with the EP butt plates hahaha
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I see you are still lurking.

Nothing has been proven with regards to the ep's on butt plates. The only thing that has been shown is that some Romanian guns have them too. To date, equally as much proof that ep serials are original issue on Romanian guns as there is for the Soviet guns-- zero.
 
@pcvando--

While you're lurking and stalking on sks-files, I highly recommend that you explore the reasons why the Canadian guns were removed from and no-longer considered a viable quantity for objective research.

-1956 dated stocks?
-Letter suffixes on stock serials?
-1949 dated laminate stocks?
-Receivers scrubbed and re-serialized with evidence of the previous receiver serials still visible?
-Tula Star stamps on letter stocks?
-All kinds of odd stock serial fonts on purported all original stocks?

And the one thing all of these precious unicorns have in common? They were from the Canadian import batches.
You'll find photos of all the Canadian anomalies over on sks-files. Maybe if you weren't so fascinated with me, you'd have found them already.

You won't find any of these anomalies among the Soviet guns that were imported directly to the US.
 
You won't find any of these anomalies among the Soviet guns that were imported directly to the US.
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Firearms in question were imported into the U.S.A., during year 198(n) from storage ‘depot 1’ in country X, consisting of carbines that came from factory ‘Star’ and went through arsenal Q. They might be generally characterized as grade A, or grade F.

Further guns were imported into Canada, during year 200(n) from storage ‘depot 9’ in country Y, consisting of carbines that came from factory ‘Triangle’ and went through arsenal T. They might be generally characterized as grade A, or grade F.

Why should the batches exhibit identical features? Should all conclusions drawn from batch 1 invalidate any information found in batch 2?
 
Boris Badinov said:
@pcvando--

While you're lurking and stalking on sks-files, I highly recommend that you explore the reasons why the Canadian guns were removed from and no-longer considered a viable quantity for objective research.

-1956 dated stocks?
-Letter suffixes on stock serials?
-1949 dated laminate stocks?
-Receivers scrubbed and re-serialized with evidence of the previous receiver serials still visible?
-Tula Star stamps on letter stocks?
-All kinds of odd stock serial fonts on purported all original stocks?

And the one thing all of these precious unicorns have in common? They were from the Canadian import batches.
You'll find photos of all the Canadian anomalies over on sks-files. Maybe if you weren't so fascinated with me, you'd have found them already.

You won't find any of these anomalies among the Soviet guns that were imported directly to the US.
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For your information all the good stuff was shipped to Canada and all the crap to the US . if you even bother to follow the news were fighting to keep our guns so the last thing we need is a Schmuck like you and your friend on here who seem to know everything . go get a job .
 
Boris Badinov said:
I have owned 27 or 28 sks variants. 19 was the most at one time. Currently I own 15 sks variants. Two Romanian, seven Chinese and six Soviet. By CDN standards, half of my Russian guns might be considered "all original, or unissued" but I know better than that.

EDIT: 16 total currently. Forgot the all matching 1969 Albanian I picked up last year.
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Based on your “opinion” of how the SKS trigger is supposed to work (from another thread) you apparently haven’t studied your own rifles very much.

You should post some photos of your collection. As many detailed photos as you can. I would love to see this collection.
 
Gents; just wanted to weigh in on this topic. I had 10 non-refurbished SKS and many refurbs, all years, Tula and Izhevsk. The black paint you speak of is NOT arsenal refurbishment. It is usually found on the butt plate, mostly over the screws and I have also found it on other areas. It was likely added to prevent scratching and subsequent corrosion during rack or long term storage. It is easily removed.
 
The Kurgan said:
Gents; just wanted to weigh in on this topic. I had 10 non-refurbished SKS and many refurbs, all years, Tula and Izhevsk. The black paint you speak of is NOT arsenal refurbishment. It is usually found on the butt plate, mostly over the screws and I have also found it on other areas. It was likely added to prevent scratching and subsequent corrosion during rack or long term storage. It is easily removed.
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This is correct. Black paint was added for preservation fight against rust. Actually factory original, father was supervisor in facility handling distribution of small arms, many new RPD, SVD, SKS all had this paint, back in Russia.

Clearly not refurb, very nice SKS I have few like this.

Vlad P.
 
The Kurgan said:
Vlad; is your father still alive? He would be a great resource to silence the no-nothings that spew nonsense.
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He is yes. I maybe will do post on this topic, is there really many people who do not believe this op rifle is original? I have zero worry this rifle is not ever been refurbish.

Vlad P.
 
vladputin said:
father was supervisor in facility handling distribution of small arms
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This smells of BS. You've got a long way to go to any convincing argument on this.

many new ...SKS all had this paint, back in Russia.
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This claim is utterly B.S.

Any sks collector with an opinion worthy of consideration, knows that NEW production SKS 45's were not painted, they were blued. (Srsly?)

There is ZERO evidence that New, fresh-from-the factory SKS45's had black paint anywhere on them.

Early Chinese production was a virtual, exact, cut an paste duplicate of the Soviet sks production model-- Set up and supervised by Soviet engineers and technicals from the outset up until the Sino-Soviet split. This is an established fact that is well documented in the historical record.

As such, with the exception of the stock wood, the Chinese guns are EXACT copies of the late sks45 design. The Contemporaneous new production Chinese guns had NO paint ( nor did any of the SKS national variants for that matter). Nor did the Chinese guns have serial EP's on the stock plates.


The stock plate serial on the OP gun indicates that the stock, at the very least it has been refinished. IMHO, it is also an indication that the stock is a probably a replacement.
 
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Hogwash Boris.
SN marked butt plates are an indication of an unrefurbished rifle. I’ve never seen a refurb with it marked, and never a possible unrefurbished without it. This is for RUSSIAN guns, not Chinese.

There are 3 types of black paint found on Russian SKS rifles. The BBQ paint - refurb, the harder “parkerized-ish” coating (also refurb) and the easily removed, flaking off stuff that was put on to protect some parts during storage. The latter can be found on both refurb and unrefurbished rifles. When it was applied is anyone’s guess. It is NOT an indication of refurbishment like the first two paints I’ve described.
 
PinkyPlinker said:
Hogwash Boris.
SN marked butt plates are an indication of an unrefurbished rifle. I’ve never seen a refurb with it marked, and never a possible unrefurbished without it. This is for RUSSIAN guns, not Chinese.
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1956-1959/60 Chinese sks is an exact copy of the SKS45. Chinese production during this period was an EXACT copy of Soviet production-- set up and overseen by Soviet technical advisers and engineers.

From 1949-1956 The soviets had TWO sks factories-- finishing protocols were a set and adhered to standard-- a standard which is replicated in detail on all of the other national variants. One such standard seen on all variants is that EP serials on stock plates are not attributed to original manufacture.

The Soviets had numerous large refurb/repair facilities and likely thousands of smaller brigade/battalion/divisional armorers. These are where EP serials were most likely added... post-production.

EP serials on the stock plates are NOT original, and are an indication that the stock plate has been removed-- either to refinish or replace the stock.
 
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Boris Badinov said:
This smells of BS. You've got a long way to go to any convincing argument on this.



This claim is utterly B.S.

Any sks collector with an opinion worthy of consideration, knows that NEW production SKS 45's were not painted, they were blued. (Srsly?)

There is ZERO evidence that New, fresh-from-the factory SKS45's had black paint anywhere on them.

Early Chinese production was a virtual, exact, cut an paste duplicate of the Soviet sks production model-- Set up and supervised by Soviet engineers and technicals from the outset up until the Sino-Soviet split. This is an established fact that is well documented in the historical record.

As such, with the exception of the stock wood, the Chinese guns are EXACT copies of the late sks45 design. The Contemporaneous new production Chinese guns had NO paint ( nor did any of the SKS national variants for that matter). Nor did the Chinese guns have serial EP's on the stock plates.


The stock plate serial on the OP gun indicates that the stock, at the very least it has been refinished. IMHO, it is also an indication that the stock is a probably a replacement.
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Oh god here we go again, how many people need to tell you that you are flat wrong. Go spread your BS elsewhere.
 
Boris Badinov said:
This smells of BS. You've got a long way to go to any convincing argument on this.



This claim is utterly B.S.

Any sks collector with an opinion worthy of consideration, knows that NEW production SKS 45's were not painted, they were blued. (Srsly?)

There is ZERO evidence that New, fresh-from-the factory SKS45's had black paint anywhere on them.

Early Chinese production was a virtual, exact, cut an paste duplicate of the Soviet sks production model-- Set up and supervised by Soviet engineers and technicals from the outset up until the Sino-Soviet split. This is an established fact that is well documented in the historical record.

As such, with the exception of the stock wood, the Chinese guns are EXACT copies of the late sks45 design. The Contemporaneous new production Chinese guns had NO paint ( nor did any of the SKS national variants for that matter). Nor did the Chinese guns have serial EP's on the stock plates.


The stock plate serial on the OP gun indicates that the stock, at the very least it has been refinished. IMHO, it is also an indication that the stock is a probably a replacement.
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I never said these things. I am talking of the paint on the butt plate screws and screw hole. Why must you argue with everyone?

We all know this entire painted black dip treatment is refurbished. Do not play stupid games here ok.

Vlad P.
 
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Boris Badinov said:
The stock plate serial on the OP gun indicates that the stock, at the very least it has been refinished. IMHO, it is also an indication that the stock is a probably a replacement.
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This is BS. There are still heat treatment halos and bare metal showing through the serial number stamps, indicating it has the original bluing.
 
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