0.25 MOA right out of the box!

Db- yes your TRG is a shooter...but unless purchased second hand, they retail closer to $5K than the $4K base I referenced.
 
My understanding of the costs involved with being SBr competitive would require the annual purchase/chamber of a minimum of three barrels (more if one isn’t a hummer)...probably a bore scope ...assuming you already have a good quality front rest/rear bag ($2K), wind flags, Lapua brass, match bullets...and then there are the travel and accommodation costs, not only in Alberta but outside... A friend shoots F class (a month or so ago in Sask, a couple of weeks ago in Kamloops). Competition = Time & money. There is a reason not many 30 year-olds are posing for pictures in the winners circle:)
OP- sorry for the derail but I think your question has been answered. Quarter minute capable factory rigs are about as common as pink unicorns.

Your right I would say Travel is the biggest cost involved but that is true for anything , not just competitive shooting , there are also club matches where travel is no more than a trip to the range . f class rig’s are typically way more money than Br , if you shoot lots you will go through barrels no matter what discipline , if you find a good barrel you can save it for competition and use average barrels for practice , this is quite common , takes about 5 min to swap a barrel . You can spend a little or a lot on a front rest , still a lot of bag squeezers shooting 20-30 year old front rests ,
Point is , it’s not an equipment race as is often heard on the internet , that term is usually used by guys who are either making an excuse not to do it because all the bs they told their buddies and posted on the Internet hits the floor with the commence fire command or they tried to buy their way to the win and found out that doesn’t work either,
Just requires good old fashion hard work and a commitment to learn with out the ego getting in the way, it’s the same for any discipline.
There’s lots of help for those who want it but it’s not easy and the learning curve is pretty steep.

Back to the original question , I have not seen a factory rifle of any kind or cal that will consistently agg 1/4 moa at 100 or beyond
 
Db- yes your TRG is a shooter...but unless purchased second hand, they retail closer to $5K than the $4K base I referenced.

yeah, that's why I am not sure trg counts or not. you know, market price is a little confuse sometimes.
 
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(No intend to offence anyone for any reason. If you feel offended, I do apologize right here, right now:redface:)

Some people prefer to go competitions, some are not. Thing just goes that way, why does it matter. Every CGN user can commit, no matter he/she has competitions experience or not.
Just contribute whatever you can, like honestly list all facts, and conclusion with what you think/believe in one or two sentences. Don't forget to let others know it's your personal opinion, by adding some words like, i think, i believe .etc.:dancingbanana:


Instead of reply who/what is right, who/what is wrong, why not focus on how to help. for example, if quarter moa factory rifle is none, why not recommend a closest one you can find. This is much much better than keep saying no, or even worse - argue:runaway:. I starts to stop arguing with others years ago, and try to live with people with different opinions. It did save me lots of time and troubles.:dancingbanana:
 
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Wow, some pretty crazy daydreaming in this thread!

.25 moa...some of these people have never checked out SBR match average scoring. I particularly liked the “ all my hunting rifles shoot .25” hilarious!!!! Not many people shooting xbolts and partitions in the 100y 1/2 moa challenge, wonder why?
 
Even with a capable custom barrel/ gun, superb highly tuned reloads etc it is still hard to shoot o.25 inch groups with any kind of consistency. A ppc or 30 br would make it a lot easier....
 
I always remember the morning, about forty years ago, a friend of mine, Bob Forslund, pulled in and wanted to show me his new rifle. He had won a Shien DGA action at a match the previous year and had built a 6ppc on it. Anyway, he pulled the rifle out before the match and said, "watch this". He then fired five shots into a little less than .2" We BS'd a bit, then he shot another group just like the first. When the match started, he went ahead and shot 5 groups which averaged just slightly over .2 moa. Now THAT was a .25 moa rifle.
The guy who pulls an ancient piece of target out of his wallet and shows me a cluster of shots (with a flyer off to the side , with a "X" drawn through it), probably does not have a .25 moa rifle.
In the intervening years, I have seen a lot of very good factory rifles and many of then shot very well but none have been a true 1/4 moa rifle. I've seen 3/8 but not 1/4.

I'm not surprised to see the name Bob Forslund in a discussion on precision rifles. He was my neighbor for many years, I was privileged to see some of the legendary rifles he built himself, and heard many a story about the competitions he and Albert had won.

Amazing guy who is missed.
 
Was there not a write up in one of the gun magazines years ago when the Sako 6ppc's first came out that stated they were 1/4 minute guns?
 
I always remember the morning, about forty years ago, a friend of mine, Bob Forslund, pulled in and wanted to show me his new rifle. He had won a Shien DGA action at a match the previous year and had built a 6ppc on it. Anyway, he pulled the rifle out before the match and said, "watch this". He then fired five shots into a little less than .2" We BS'd a bit, then he shot another group just like the first. When the match started, he went ahead and shot 5 groups which averaged just slightly over .2 moa. Now THAT was a .25 moa rifle.
The guy who pulls an ancient piece of target out of his wallet and shows me a cluster of shots (with a flyer off to the side , with a "X" drawn through it), probably does not have a .25 moa rifle.
In the intervening years, I have seen a lot of very good factory rifles and many of then shot very well but none have been a true 1/4 moa rifle. I've seen 3/8 but not 1/4.

I still have that rifle and it still shoots pretty good
 
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If your cadex will shoot .3 moa on demand
It will do .25

The reloading bench is where youd squeeze out more accuracy, runout gage , weighting primers, weighting boolits, ect...

But why .25 moa from a off the shelf rig ?
 
If money not an issue....INSITE ARMS builds amazing rigs,i know had one built and went to range late in fall on a cold and windy day after 10hr shift to break in barrel.The thing shot .3 3 out of the 4 groups all the while im fkn around with scope settings and taking out the bolt and cleaning barrel..Thus im sure in steady hands this will consistently shoot .2 level for sure.They build crazy accurate rifles.
 
If money not an issue....INSITE ARMS builds amazing rigs,i know had one built and went to range late in fall on a cold and windy day after 10hr shift to break in barrel.The thing shot .3 3 out of the 4 groups all the while im fkn around with scope settings and taking out the bolt and cleaning barrel..Thus im sure in steady hands this will consistently shoot .2 level for sure.They build crazy accurate rifles.[/QUOT

No offence .but The problem with rifles that someone is sure will shoot .2 consistently “in the right hands” is that they often don’t prove out and tend to shoot a lot bigger groups in competition or on demand .It’s great that you found a rifle that shoots well and I’m sure it fulfills your needs. It’s a long ways from .5 moa to .2 and most people would not see a difference or care for that matter. Probably only a few hard core accuracy buffs and competitors that would know how hard it is to get a rifle down to .2 aggs.
A better question for the op would be where to find a .5 moa factory rifle , would be a more realistic parameter
 
If money not an issue....INSITE ARMS builds amazing rigs,i know had one built and went to range late in fall on a cold and windy day after 10hr shift to break in barrel.The thing shot .3 3 out of the 4 groups all the while im fkn around with scope settings and taking out the bolt and cleaning barrel..Thus im sure in steady hands this will consistently shoot .2 level for sure.They build crazy accurate rifles.[/QUOT

No offence .but The problem with rifles that someone is sure will shoot .2 consistently “in the right hands” is that they often don’t prove out and tend to shoot a lot bigger groups in competition or on demand .It’s great that you found a rifle that shoots well and I’m sure it fulfills your needs. It’s a long ways from .5 moa to .2 and most people would not see a difference or care for that matter. Probably only a few hard core accuracy buffs and competitors that would know how hard it is to get a rifle down to .2 aggs.
A better question for the op would be where to find a .5 moa factory rifle , would be a more realistic parameter

Removed since realizing the futility.thanks
 
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A question regarding accuracy.
does anyone know what rifle shoots .25 MOA from factory?

From factory I only know of one, but you won't like the pricetag, see it here: arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/03/bullseye-from-1000-yards-shooting-the-17000-linux-powered-rifle/
 
No offence taken but i have searched out the top rifle makers and INSITE ARMS are bar none.I have friend who has one from them in 6.5cm and it shoots 0.15 pretty consistently.This is why i went to them and top components as impact action cryod barrel etc.As for factory rifle i had a sako trg22 which was a .25 rifle just not as consitent as top shelf custom.Good points made and given.View attachment 331760


The sako you had never shot a group over .25 once you found a load? I find this difficult to believe. And your buddies .15 rifle...well he should get into sbr cause he can probably take a championship with that baby.

A person needs to be honest enough with themselves to classify a rifle based on its largest group and not it’s smallest. My opinion anyway
 
No offence taken but i have searched out the top rifle makers and INSITE ARMS are bar none.I have friend who has one from them in 6.5cm and it shoots 0.15 pretty consistently.This is why i went to them and top components as impact action cryod barrel etc.As for factory rifle i had a sako trg22 which was a .25 rifle just not as consitent as top shelf custom.Good points made and given.View attachment 331760[/QUOTE

No offence taken , if it will shoot .015 consistently congratulations it will easily set the world record and beat the very best shooters in the world who only managed a best of a .2015 four gun grand agg at Phoenix in October.
My guess is it may shoot a .015 group now and then which is not so uncommon and totally different thing altogether , unless of course there is a registered match report with a .015 agg in which case I apologies for my scepticism and I am really impressed !
As I said I have not seen a factory rifle shoot .25 moa consistently yet but with all the advances in tech I am sure it is coming at some point
 
The sako you had never shot a group over .25 once you found a load? I find this difficult to believe. And your buddies .15 rifle...well he should get into sbr cause he can probably take a championship with that baby.

A person needs to be honest enough with themselves to classify a rifle based on its largest group and not it’s smallest. My opinion anyway

Consistent is not 100%...as i said the sako was not consistent as opposed to my buddies 6.5cm....i just posted for info not as loading datea so if you would like to knit pick on my buddies rifle or mine ..then good for you...i used general terms and by your standards a .25 moa rifle is one that never shoots anything more at any time .DOnt know how lng you ve been shooting long range but such an animal doesnt exist in human hands.UNless you lock it into a sled and clamp the sled to a concrete table and let the barrel go back to nominal temp between 5rd groups.and then and only then you can say i have a 100% .25 moa rifle.AS for honesty i have never try to streach the truth as i know it.AGain you are entitled to your opinion be it reasonable or not.
 
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