My understanding of the costs involved with being SBr competitive would require the annual purchase/chamber of a minimum of three barrels (more if one isn’t a hummer)...probably a bore scope ...assuming you already have a good quality front rest/rear bag ($2K), wind flags, Lapua brass, match bullets...and then there are the travel and accommodation costs, not only in Alberta but outside... A friend shoots F class (a month or so ago in Sask, a couple of weeks ago in Kamloops). Competition = Time & money. There is a reason not many 30 year-olds are posing for pictures in the winners circle
OP- sorry for the derail but I think your question has been answered. Quarter minute capable factory rigs are about as common as pink unicorns.
Db- yes your TRG is a shooter...but unless purchased second hand, they retail closer to $5K than the $4K base I referenced.
I always remember the morning, about forty years ago, a friend of mine, Bob Forslund, pulled in and wanted to show me his new rifle. He had won a Shien DGA action at a match the previous year and had built a 6ppc on it. Anyway, he pulled the rifle out before the match and said, "watch this". He then fired five shots into a little less than .2" We BS'd a bit, then he shot another group just like the first. When the match started, he went ahead and shot 5 groups which averaged just slightly over .2 moa. Now THAT was a .25 moa rifle.
The guy who pulls an ancient piece of target out of his wallet and shows me a cluster of shots (with a flyer off to the side , with a "X" drawn through it), probably does not have a .25 moa rifle.
In the intervening years, I have seen a lot of very good factory rifles and many of then shot very well but none have been a true 1/4 moa rifle. I've seen 3/8 but not 1/4.
I always remember the morning, about forty years ago, a friend of mine, Bob Forslund, pulled in and wanted to show me his new rifle. He had won a Shien DGA action at a match the previous year and had built a 6ppc on it. Anyway, he pulled the rifle out before the match and said, "watch this". He then fired five shots into a little less than .2" We BS'd a bit, then he shot another group just like the first. When the match started, he went ahead and shot 5 groups which averaged just slightly over .2 moa. Now THAT was a .25 moa rifle.
The guy who pulls an ancient piece of target out of his wallet and shows me a cluster of shots (with a flyer off to the side , with a "X" drawn through it), probably does not have a .25 moa rifle.
In the intervening years, I have seen a lot of very good factory rifles and many of then shot very well but none have been a true 1/4 moa rifle. I've seen 3/8 but not 1/4.
I've shot occasional one hole 5 shot groups at 100m with a Tikka 223 Varmint 8T, H4995, and a 75gn A-Max, 10x scope.
Rifle was factory, handloads used.
If money not an issue....INSITE ARMS builds amazing rigs,i know had one built and went to range late in fall on a cold and windy day after 10hr shift to break in barrel.The thing shot .3 3 out of the 4 groups all the while im fkn around with scope settings and taking out the bolt and cleaning barrel..Thus im sure in steady hands this will consistently shoot .2 level for sure.They build crazy accurate rifles.[/QUOT
No offence .but The problem with rifles that someone is sure will shoot .2 consistently “in the right hands” is that they often don’t prove out and tend to shoot a lot bigger groups in competition or on demand .It’s great that you found a rifle that shoots well and I’m sure it fulfills your needs. It’s a long ways from .5 moa to .2 and most people would not see a difference or care for that matter. Probably only a few hard core accuracy buffs and competitors that would know how hard it is to get a rifle down to .2 aggs.
A better question for the op would be where to find a .5 moa factory rifle , would be a more realistic parameter
If money not an issue....INSITE ARMS builds amazing rigs,i know had one built and went to range late in fall on a cold and windy day after 10hr shift to break in barrel.The thing shot .3 3 out of the 4 groups all the while im fkn around with scope settings and taking out the bolt and cleaning barrel..Thus im sure in steady hands this will consistently shoot .2 level for sure.They build crazy accurate rifles.[/QUOT
No offence .but The problem with rifles that someone is sure will shoot .2 consistently “in the right hands” is that they often don’t prove out and tend to shoot a lot bigger groups in competition or on demand .It’s great that you found a rifle that shoots well and I’m sure it fulfills your needs. It’s a long ways from .5 moa to .2 and most people would not see a difference or care for that matter. Probably only a few hard core accuracy buffs and competitors that would know how hard it is to get a rifle down to .2 aggs.
A better question for the op would be where to find a .5 moa factory rifle , would be a more realistic parameter
Removed since realizing the futility.thanks
A question regarding accuracy.
does anyone know what rifle shoots .25 MOA from factory?
No offence taken but i have searched out the top rifle makers and INSITE ARMS are bar none.I have friend who has one from them in 6.5cm and it shoots 0.15 pretty consistently.This is why i went to them and top components as impact action cryod barrel etc.As for factory rifle i had a sako trg22 which was a .25 rifle just not as consitent as top shelf custom.Good points made and given.View attachment 331760
The sako you had never shot a group over .25 once you found a load? I find this difficult to believe. And your buddies .15 rifle...well he should get into sbr cause he can probably take a championship with that baby.
A person needs to be honest enough with themselves to classify a rifle based on its largest group and not it’s smallest. My opinion anyway
No offence taken but i have searched out the top rifle makers and INSITE ARMS are bar none.I have friend who has one from them in 6.5cm and it shoots 0.15 pretty consistently.This is why i went to them and top components as impact action cryod barrel etc.As for factory rifle i had a sako trg22 which was a .25 rifle just not as consitent as top shelf custom.Good points made and given.View attachment 331760[/QUOTE
No offence taken , if it will shoot .015 consistently congratulations it will easily set the world record and beat the very best shooters in the world who only managed a best of a .2015 four gun grand agg at Phoenix in October.
My guess is it may shoot a .015 group now and then which is not so uncommon and totally different thing altogether , unless of course there is a registered match report with a .015 agg in which case I apologies for my scepticism and I am really impressed !
As I said I have not seen a factory rifle shoot .25 moa consistently yet but with all the advances in tech I am sure it is coming at some point
The sako you had never shot a group over .25 once you found a load? I find this difficult to believe. And your buddies .15 rifle...well he should get into sbr cause he can probably take a championship with that baby.
A person needs to be honest enough with themselves to classify a rifle based on its largest group and not it’s smallest. My opinion anyway
Consistent is not 100%...as i said the sako was not consistent as opposed to my buddies 6.5cm....i just posted for info not as loading datea so if you would like to knit pick on my buddies rifle or mine ..then good for you...i used general terms and by your standards a .25 moa rifle is one that never shoots anything more at any time .DOnt know how lng you ve been shooting long range but such an animal doesnt exist in human hands.UNless you lock it into a sled and clamp the sled to a concrete table and let the barrel go back to nominal temp between 5rd groups.and then and only then you can say i have a 100% .25 moa rifle.AS for honesty i have never try to streach the truth as i know it.AGain you are entitled to your opinion be it reasonable or not.