Why do we start to Hate some calibers?

I wonder if those that dislike a cartridge due to other peoples positive opinions apply that in the rest of their life?

"I hate brand X of socks because some guys on the internet think they are great"



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Gatehouse said:
Throughout the history of cartridges, some have been successful and some have not, and gun enthusiasts have grumbled about "why do we have these newfangled cartridges?"

In 1925 people grumbled about why we needed the 270 Winchester, when the 30-06 was all that was required. :)
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I wonder if people who like a cartridge due to manufacturers hype advertising apply that to the rest of their life... I think the new Tampax XL tampons might control "their" flow better...
 
remington jim said:
Dorian Gray - Magnum is JUST a Name - Get over it ! :p :dancingbanana: RJ
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I respectfully disagree Jim. Magnum is typically used to describe overbore cartridges. They and the rifles they are chambered in generally come with the very real attributes I described. Increased recoil, increased report and increased barrel length over standard cartridges. While those attributes might not matter to some people, I don't find them particularly appealing or necessary for me. To each their own. Like I said, I'm glad we have options. :yingyang:
 
hoytcanon said:
I wonder if people who like a cartridge due to manufacturers hype advertising apply that to the rest of their life... I think the new Tampax XL tampons might control "their" flow better...
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:)Good point. I have nothing at all against the intro of new cartridges and calibres. In fact, :) I applaud the efforts made towards innovation, development and improvement. Without this advancement, we'd still be using flintlocks. At my stage in life, I know what has worked well for me and its hardly worthwhile now to sell one off to get something the next step up on the evolutionary scale, just to keep up with the times. ;) Only so many years left. The only down side aspect of some of this new and developing innovation at this point in time, is the put down of what has been around and proven itself in the field. Then proclaiming the latest and 'new kid' on the block to be the 'Neutered King', I mean New King. :rolleyes: Help me Lord.
 
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Dorian Gray said:
I respectfully disagree Jim. Magnum is typically used to describe overbore cartridges. They and the rifles they are chambered in generally come with the very real attributes I described. Increased recoil, increased report and increased barrel length over standard cartridges. While those attributes might not matter to some people, I don't find them particularly appealing or necessary for me. To each their own. Like I said, I'm glad we have options. :yingyang:
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Dorian I UNDERSTAND you ! BUT a Magnum is still JUST a name - THINK ! 222 Rem Magnum shooting the same 50 gr bullet 250 fps less the a 22-250 Rem ! Which is really the Magnum ? RJ
 
383SB said:
It does do things better though, especially than the Swede. There’s is no comparison on ammo and rifle availability, everyone’s making rifles and GOOD ammo, ever chrono your 6.5 Swede? There’s much better brass life, it fits high bc bullets in a short action better than a 260, in it’s inteded role it was right up there with 6.5x47L in 6.5’s and most popular overall with top shooters in PRS before 6mm and 6mm Creedmoor took off, have a look how popular that is in prs. Quite clear you guys are hunters first and foremost but realize there is a world of guns outside of shooting animals. The 6.5 Creedmoor and it’s variants do have some merit. Mystical power and fancy name? Sounds EXACTLY like the 6.5 Swede I’ve been hearing about for the last 30 years, those Swedes and the 160s penetrating miles of moose, which it is an amazing cartridge, but seeing as how the 6.5 creed is lighter, strong and faster for less... And for the record as far as latest craze, you know it’s been around 13 years, and it’s only getting more popular. Not liking a well designed tube of brass because others do is silly, almost a high school age mentality


By the way powder burner, I see your signature content about the 7mm08, ever hear of the 280 Ross by chance? And the sniper wannabes, You should check out any of the precision shooting disciplines, some are a lot of fun and growing fast, you can even show off the power of the 7mm08
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6.5CM is the factory Fanboys dream combo of off the shelf ammo and rifles. That's what it was designed for, millenials basically who would rather buy then learn. Also the AR10 crowd becsuse it fits in any 308 platform. It's definitely hit the ball out of the park in that niche.
How much factory ammo is required for a PRS match...$200-$300?...that's nuts lol.
Before the CM craze, people actually built rifles and loaded their own ammo, it was a crazy time...hard times...a decent target barrel installed would set you back $500 minimum, and the loading...ohh the hours and hours spent loading when we could have been sitting around Starbucks all day using free wifi, such a waste...
I do own one 6.5CM, cheapest Savage 12FV from Cabellas...$400. It's never seen a piece of factory ammo though, just handloads. Same as all my guns see except for rimfire and shottys. I'm still waiting for it to do "something" better then the 6.5 Swede I've been loading and shooting for the past 20 years. I mean, it shoots fine, pretty much like a 6.5 Swede, really not any better in any area. Brass life is better with the Swede because a 140 @ 2800fps is running a little lower pressure in the Swede vs the CM. Oddly enough I suspect there are still slightly more companies chambering rifles in 6.5x55 then 6.5CM. Europe is a fairly large market and not all makers there have 6.5cm offerings but definitely have 6.5x55. Even in North America every maker has made, and most still make 6.5x55 bolt rifles.
Unfortunately I'm a slow shooting, long range bolt gun guy, that PRS stuff doesn't really appeal to me. I just don't see getting good at that having any kind of transferable skills to my real life hunting/shooting scenarios. Most animals don't sit there and let you shoot 60 rounds at them, and for target shooting I like "groups" more then "hits".
The Rimfire PRS however might appeal to me. Still kind of pointless, but at least it's cheap.
 
Hitzy said:
6.5CM is the factory Fanboys dream combo of off the shelf ammo and rifles. That's what it was designed for, millenials basically who would rather buy then learn. Also the AR10 crowd becsuse it fits in any 308 platform. It's definitely hit the ball out of the park in that niche. Definitely hit it out of the park, but why is it for millennials that don’t want to learn? Are all common chambering like that now? I know alot of older folks who know only which end the bullet comes out, sorry a no for them I guess?. And I don’t understand the hate for success, bunch’s commie over here geeze “The original intent of the cartridge was an across-the-course match cartridge,” said Emary. “We envisioned it as an off-the-shelf round that produced the accuracy and ballistics to compete in all match shooting disciplines right out of the box. At the same time, we realized that the same characteristics would make an exceptional hunting cartridge with the right bullets. The general design of the case provides sufficient cartridge head height to allow for very long ogive, high-ballistic-coefficient 6.5mm bullets in a short-action rifle,” said Emary. “We knew from past experience that a large case wasn’t needed to get performance with this smaller caliber, and the propellant charge weight had to be kept down to reduce recoil for competitive timed-fire events. We needed a very efficient cartridge in order to meet our goals. As we saw it, the .260 Remington had too much case capacity to be efficient for the application we had in mind,” he explained. “To get acceptable performance with the .260 Rem., the propellant charge weights get pretty high, as does the recoil. It also had a major drawback: It did not accommodate the very long match bullets because of the cartridge’s case length and short-length throat.”” . Then again the guys could have been going after those darn hipsters


How much factory ammo is required for a PRS match...$200-$300?...that's nuts lol.Indint know anyone that shoots factory ammo, but a match is not more than 120 rounds, not as much as you budgeted but even quality reloads are expansive, there is no cheap competitive shooting sports I know of

Before the CM craze, people actually built rifles and loaded their own ammo, it was a crazy time...hard times...a decent target barrel installed would set you back $500 minimum, and the loading...ohh the hours and hours spent loading when we could have been sitting around Starbucks all day using free wifi, such a waste...peopke still do.... don’t get the star buck wifi thing but ok.

I do own one 6.5CM, cheapest Savage 12FV from Cabellas...$400. It's never seen a piece of factory ammo though, just handloads. Same as all my guns see except for rimfire and shottys. Why do don’t you get the Swede ;p.....but in all honesty good buy, for that price can’t be beat. So what made you go 6.5 and not 223,308?

I'm still waiting for it to do "something" better then the 6.5 Swede I've been loading and shooting for the past 20 years. I mean, it shoots fine, pretty much like a 6.5 Swede, really not any better in any area.Its fits in a short action ALOT better for one. It will shoot the same bullet, yes at a higher pressure but the better case design will handle it better. I don’t get it, ones a short action and ones a long action cartridge, did the 308 get #### on this bad when it came out? Bah it doesn’t do anything better than the 30-06, ####in hippies and there 308s!!

Brass life is better with the Swede because a 140 @ 2800fps is running a little lower pressure in the Swede vs the CM. Oddly enough I suspect there are still slightly more companies chambering rifles in 6.5x55 then 6.5CM. Europe is a fairly large market and not all makers there have 6.5cm offerings but definitely have 6.5x55. Even in North America every maker has made, and most still make 6.5x55 bolt rifles.Perhaps there yes, pretty hard to deny the difference here

Unfortunately I'm a slow shooting, long range bolt gun guy, that PRS stuff doesn't really appeal to me. I just don't see getting good at that having any kind of transferable skills to my real life hunting/shooting scenarios. Most animals don't sit there and let you shoot 60 rounds at them, and for target shooting I like "groups" more then "hits". As far as trabsferable skills in a dynamic shooting sport vs slow shooting for groups on a bench you couldn’t be more backwards in my opinion. I like shooting everything and am open to everything, because every new sport I’ve tried has taught me slot of new things, life’s to short to be a stick in the mud or to turn your nose up at to something just because it’s a didderent sport

The Rimfire PRS however might appeal to me. Still kind of pointless, but at least it's cheap.no such thing as pointless trigger time!! Watch out though, you might have some fun
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Hate is strong, maybe buying into the marketing gimicks are we........ many chamberings to suite different needs out there from hunting to target, hard to beat the 30-06 for a reliable and versitile big game hunting cartridge but to each their own
 
Hitzy said:
6.5CM is the factory Fanboys dream combo of off the shelf ammo and rifles. That's what it was designed for, millenials basically who would rather buy then learn. Also the AR10 crowd becsuse it fits in any 308 platform. It's definitely hit the ball out of the park in that niche.
How much factory ammo is required for a PRS match...$200-$300?...that's nuts lol.
Before the CM craze, people actually built rifles and loaded their own ammo, it was a crazy time...hard times...a decent target barrel installed would set you back $500 minimum, and the loading...ohh the hours and hours spent loading when we could have been sitting around Starbucks all day using free wifi, such a waste...
I do own one 6.5CM, cheapest Savage 12FV from Cabellas...$400. It's never seen a piece of factory ammo though, just handloads. Same as all my guns see except for rimfire and shottys. I'm still waiting for it to do "something" better then the 6.5 Swede I've been loading and shooting for the past 20 years. I mean, it shoots fine, pretty much like a 6.5 Swede, really not any better in any area. Brass life is better with the Swede because a 140 @ 2800fps is running a little lower pressure in the Swede vs the CM. Oddly enough I suspect there are still slightly more companies chambering rifles in 6.5x55 then 6.5CM. Europe is a fairly large market and not all makers there have 6.5cm offerings but definitely have 6.5x55. Even in North America every maker has made, and most still make 6.5x55 bolt rifles.
Unfortunately I'm a slow shooting, long range bolt gun guy, that PRS stuff doesn't really appeal to me. I just don't see getting good at that having any kind of transferable skills to my real life hunting/shooting scenarios. Most animals don't sit there and let you shoot 60 rounds at them, and for target shooting I like "groups" more then "hits".
The Rimfire PRS however might appeal to me. Still kind of pointless, but at least it's cheap.
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You are the only guy I know who is proud of a thirty minute three shot group. Laughing!
 
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