This does not make any sense. You are asking for Porsche performance from a rifle. Then you complain about Porsche pricing. If you TRULY want a rifle that will consistently shoot 1/4 MOA groups and are willing to put in the time to make it happen you can't be complaining about how much said rifle will cost!! Because cost it will!
0.25 MOA right out of the box!
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This does not make any sense. You are asking for Porsche performance from a rifle. Then you complain about Porsche pricing. If you TRULY want a rifle that will consistently shoot 1/4 MOA groups and are willing to put in the time to make it happen you can't be complaining about how much said rifle will cost!! Because cost it will!
To get into believable territory, I would need to see five, 5 shot groups (100yds) on the same target panel ... none of which exceeds 1/4 MOA. Introducing “when I do my part” or “when conditions are right” or ...or ...or ... are all non starters.
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That’s called short range br! Lol groups are measured , all the holes count (and called shots ) set up must be capable on command what ever the conditions . It’s a challenge and a lot of fun but also gets to real for some.
I’m sure there are those who truly believe their factory rifle shoots .25 moa consistently how ever when they are in a competition setting I have not seen it prove out . Fact is a 1/2 moa rifle is a really really good shooting gun and will do all that is needed for most shooting
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It's kind of like tolerance stacking in engineering. If a gun is a true 0.5 MOA gun, relatively often, by chance, it will produce groups smaller than 0.5 MOA. Even a 1 MOA rifle will do the same. It just won't do it on demand.
Excellent choice for those that want a rifle that's by heart designed to be an "agency gun" (Mike has built rifles for over 800 alphabet agencies), absolutely exquisite attention to details, a completely reworked R700 action, and a guarantee of 0.25 MOA with FGMM ammo.
There's nothing out there like a TacOps, they are of amazing quality and built for a very specific purpose.
Would be interesting to see.
Mike R. does 3 shot groups when he takes them to the range to certify them. They shoot impressive tiny holes at 110 yards.
I don't know of anyone shooting aggs with them. Though Mike Miller, a former sniper and national member of the US FTR team (who was once a very vocal critic of TacOps and the 0.25 MOA claim), says it's every bit a 0.25 MOA rifle at 100 yards with FGMM ammo.
They aren't designed to be benchrest guns, but to be a precision tool for the sniper to place a shot exactly where he needs to when it counts and lives are on the line. They are working guns. Very accurate and meticulously well built working guns.
I’m sure they are very good at what they are designed for but to be a 1/4 moa rifle it still needs to be able to shoot 1/4 moa aggs on demand . often heard on the line in benchrest “ 3 ain’t 5 and they never get smaller with 4 and 5 “
Maybe Mike could shoot one in a match might be the best way to prove it out
I would love to see what he could do in an agg, would certainly be interesting.
The biggest limiter these days with how good equipment and rifle is, are the shooters. Even if a rifle could consistently agg 0.25 moa, how many shooters could? I know I couldn't.
The TACOPS is designed to shoot one bullet at a time anywhere from a roof top to laying on the ground , and it does that very well too say the least.
As was stated, it is not a match rifle, short range BR rifle, or any kind of a competition rifle for that matter although it would likely do well in tactical style matches.
Then guarantee that comes with it is that it will shoot three shots into .250 and the test target provided proves it.
That is all, nowhere does it say " This rifle will agg.250 everyday on a SBR target with any shooter behind it". That is not what they are built for .
It is however, top shelf stuff for what it is designed for, and with factory ammo no less because that is what it is designed to shoot.
I have shoot one quite a bit, a friend owns one that he bought many years ago, and I like it, not enough to buy one however, because my precision rife interests lay elsewhere.
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Probably the rifle is but the shooter is not that reliable
. Rattle cans at 500m are easy when I get the wind right. Shot so good I sold it.Update current progress
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- Measured with my caliper, if you think I measured incorrectly(it did happen...), please refer to bullet hole.
- I'm considering the avg, not the biggest, may be not qualified 'all day' standard.
Group sizes: 0.692" 0.611" 0.493" 0.643" 0.569"
distance: 100 m
Formula: (Group size - 0.308)/1.047/1.09
MOA: 0.336 0.266 0.162 0.294 0.229
Avg: 0.257
PS:
- Measured with my caliper, if you think I measured incorrectly(it did happen...), please refer to bullet hole.
- I'm considering the avg, not the biggest, may be not qualified 'all day' standard.
Group sizes: 0.692" 0.611" 0.493" 0.643" 0.569"
distance: 100 m
Formula: (Group size - 0.308)/1.047/1.09
MOA: 0.336 0.266 0.162 0.294 0.229
Avg: 0.257
Compared to a .308 hole, they look closer to half inch squares.
