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[Yuri Orlov]

I don't believe it will stop but I believe it will make them FAR harder to get, and lets face it YES, it will remove many firearms from the streets.

Are you kidding? It's easier to get an illegal firearm than it is to go the legal route. No courses to take, no background checks, no registrations to make, no ATTs, it's just cash and carry...sounds pretty easy to me.

Look at it this way. Drugs are completely illegal...except for extremely restricted medical use...how's that working out on the street??

 

[Paulinski]

I don't believe it will stop but I believe it will make them FAR harder to get, and lets face it YES, it will remove many firearms from the streets.

Care to explain how it will remove firearms from the street. The criminal don't register their guns. Are you really that naive to believe that banning handguns will result in criminals marching to the nearest police station to surrender their guns????

 

[Cocked&Locked]

Sorry, all stricter controlls do is increase the street value. This makes them a valuable comodity. More guns are smuggled into canada now then the rest of our history combined...because we've created a high price market for them. 15 years ago it was hard to find an illeagal firearm, now its easy....

As for guns being scary...no, they aren't. Car's are far scarier, anyone can have one, the license requirements are a joke and they kill more then 10 times more people every year....heck, by that standard, baseball bats, golf clubs and kitchen knives are scary because that's what most people are murdered with, not firearms....

 

[krausb]

... I still strongly and firmly believe that handguns need to be less easy to acquire in the U.S. Canada has a gang problem, I don't want to be shot someone with an illegal pistol ...

Eventually you will come around to understanding that criminal violence has nothing to do with guns. A victim is just as dead whether he/she is shot, stabbed, choked or has their head smashed in with a brick. Trying to control the tools a criminal uses to commit violent crimes has proven to be an exercise in futility. A quick look at the crime stats in the UK and Australia will confirm this, if you still have doubts.

The measures you currently support only keep guns out of the hands of people who are willing to play by the rules. They really do nothing to address the real issue of violent crime.

 

[timothydgordon]

Care to explain how it will remove firearms from the street. The criminal don't register their guns. Are you really that naive to believe that banning handguns will result in criminals marching to the nearest police station to surrender their guns????

Perhaps if you read my post you would understand that I don't want guns to be banned. I want strict laws in America like we have here. Did you watch the Fifth Estate? You can see it online, the facts are there, our illegal firearms come from the U.S. where it's a select group of arms dealers who distribute the majority of firearms to people who turn around and sell them illegally. I want everyone everywhere to have to apply to get a license, have a background check then apply to get a firearm. Simple, no gun ban just laws, protocol, a system in place.

 

[t-star]

there was another segment on which the cbc interviewed a supposed "gang " member in toronto in which he said it was easy to get a gun- basically, you just get to know a friend, who has a friend, that knows somebody, and the next thing you know you're standing , cash in hand , over the trunk of somebody's car in an alley- 2 minutes later you have a gun-as for your system, well, it just ain't going to happen -guns go "missing" from all sorts of places right from the manufacturer on down-and it doesn't matter whether it's their govt, a wholesaler, retailer , or individual( let's see you try to get everyone in THEIR armed forces get a license) and that doesn't even BEGIN to address the guns made up from SPARE PARTS issue- i should venture most of the people on this board can, given the inclination, make a gun from spares- and it'll go boom at least once-but we don't because we are all law abiding people who HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO JUMP THROUGH ALL THE HOOPS- and we're proud of having done so-- a little more education and you'll see that the best system was the one we had before 1978 or none at all- it's really pointless
you also have to know the media, esp the cbc is rabidly anti-gun and well versed at jaundicing their pieces to get their points across- you obviously bought into that
incidentally, we had the same controls in place from 1934 to 1978, when the LIBERALS thought SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE and started down this road

 

[timothydgordon]

Sorry, all stricter controlls do is increase the street value. This makes them a valuable comodity. More guns are smuggled into canada now then the rest of our history combined...because we've created a high price market for them. 15 years ago it was hard to find an illeagal firearm, now its easy....

As for guns being scary...no, they aren't. Car's are far scarier, anyone can have one, the license requirements are a joke and they kill more then 10 times more people every year....heck, by that standard, baseball bats, golf clubs and kitchen knives are scary because that's what most people are murdered with, not firearms....

Firstly I would like to see statistical proof, I think indeed all you offer is speculation or your own personal opinon on the matter, which I do care to hear but since you care to trivialize my statements....

The simple matter of this scenario is not market demand, or how much the market will bear in price for firearms or even how many cars or kitchen knives kill because firearms are totally different and anyone that argues otherwise need not post as I've heard it all before. It is the introduction of a strict Firearms Act in the U.S. that will help, the firearms act will dramatically reduce the number of illegal firearms everywhere in North America from New York to Canada.

 

[timothydgordon]

The measures you currently support only keep guns out of the hands of people who are willing to play by the rules. They really do nothing to address the real issue of violent crime.

Simply NOT so, I offer you this piece of evidence: several firearm dealers (more than two dozen) sell large orders of firearms to individuals, the individuals are typically repeat customers. We would benefit by a firearms office knowing the answers to these valuable questions: WHO are these people? Do they have a firearm LICENSE? Do they meet standard or get approved for AUTHROIZATION to purchase these firearms?

ESPECIALLY when these firearms used in homicides, assaults or ceased from drug dealers carrying them illegally are traced back to these SPECIFIC two dozen or so firearm dealers.

Tell me, you don't see a possibility of increasing to atleast a 50% extent of GUN CONTROL?? Well, I can tell you it will DECREASE 57% of the markets firearms!

 

[wannabe]

 

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[Paulinski]

Agreed.

 

[wannabe]

why does this remind me of several years ago when the trap shooting crowd did not want to allow semi-auto rifles at the gun club...."it would attract the wrong kind of crowd".....lock the frigging criminals up for 10 plus years instead of a month at a time.....that will solve the problem....

Just because you saw it on CBC does NOT make it true

 

[pottsy]

Firstly I would like to see statistical proof, I think indeed all you offer is speculation or your own personal opinon on the matter, which I do care to hear but since you care to trivialize my statements....

The simple matter of this scenario is not market demand, or how much the market will bear in price for firearms or even how many cars or kitchen knives kill because firearms are totally different and anyone that argues otherwise need not post as I've heard it all before. It is the introduction of a strict Firearms Act in the U.S. that will help, the firearms act will dramatically reduce the number of illegal firearms everywhere in North America from New York to Canada.

Oh my, are you serious? How in god's name are more 'rules or regs' going to impede upon the ability of those with criminal intent from doing what criminals do and acquiring firearms illegally for illegal use? Do you also support the gun registry? You have some seriously rose coloured glasses on.

Also you seem to be one of the sheeple that compare the USA as a whole when discussing firearms, or really when discussing anything for that matter, you do realize that rules and regs are different from state to state right? Or did the CBC fail to tell you that?

Quote Timmy: "Lastly, on this subject for people to compare firearms to knives or other weapons is ridiculous, a firearm has the presence of an entire gang, a firearm can immediately and instantly kill with little effort. Finally, lets face it people fear firearms because they ARE scary not because the media says they're scary." Are you kidding? In the days before the modern media firearms were looked upon as any other tool, no more no less. You must be awfully young to be buying into such drivel as to believe otherwise. And it is most certainly NOT ridiculous to compare any and all means of committing harm against another person. You think it takes alot of effort to kill with a knife or a car? Wow... come on guy!

I am glad you are at least getting out to the range and getting some practical experience that may one day help you to get over your irrational fear of firearms, but you seem to have a long road ahead of you judging by the comments you are making here.

 

[wannabe]

CBC...."good news for all the good sheeple of Canada.....paid for by the good sheeple of Canada"....share the love sheeple.....

 

[timothydgordon]

Oh my, are you serious? How in god's name are more 'rules or regs' going to impede upon the ability of those with criminal intent from doing what criminals do and acquiring firearms illegally for illegal use? Do you also support the gun registry? You have some seriously rose coloured glasses on.

Also you seem to be one of the sheeple that compare the USA as a whole when discussing firearms, or really when discussing anything for that matter, you do realize that rules and regs are different from state to state right? Or did the CBC fail to tell you that?

Quote Timmy: "Lastly, on this subject for people to compare firearms to knives or other weapons is ridiculous, a firearm has the presence of an entire gang, a firearm can immediately and instantly kill with little effort. Finally, lets face it people fear firearms because they ARE scary not because the media says they're scary." Are you kidding? In the days before the modern media firearms were looked upon as any other tool, no more no less. You must be awfully young to be buying into such drivel as to believe otherwise. And it is most certainly NOT ridiculous to compare any and all means of committing harm against another person. You think it takes alot of effort to kill with a knife or a car? Wow... come on guy!

I am glad you are at least getting out to the range and getting some practical experience that may one day help you to get over your irrational fear of firearms, but you seem to have a long road ahead of you judging by the comments you are making here.

Actually, I understand specifically Arrowhead in Georgia is also affecting New York. The Fifth Estate did a GREAT job of articulating that laws are different from state to state. What I'm calling for is NATIONAL reform on the U.S.'s part. Also, YES, I do believe in the gun registry, you should have to jump through a LOT of red tape before you're allowed to own a firearm!

Lastly, I still feel the argument of people paralleling golf clubs, cars, knives etc. as the same thing as a gun ridiculous, you're trying to trivialize the matter and that's not okay. Firearms are by far the most deadly of these so called weapons.

 

[Boomer]

Well thank you, as far as the alternative to freedom, that is truly a scary thing but I have to ask does anyone really feel we are at risk of going this direction or that we're already heading down that path? I feel my freedoms are well intact, I know many people feel especially with these firearm restrictions that they're freedoms are not intact but I've always looked at "Gun Control" in Canada (and by the way I don't use the word "Gun" often because it carries to many negative feelings amongst firearm enthusiasts and not) as something that was introduced like car licenses, it's not your right here to bear arms but you are allowed to enjoy shooting and thats what I want, I don't want a conceal and carry permit, I just want the ability to shoot with my friends, go down to the range for fun, have competitions, and just enjoy shooting as a sport!

Anytime Liberals form the government of this country our liberties and freedoms are at risk. If Martin government didn't teach us anything he should of taught us that.

Beware of the government that wants to do everything for you! Canadians enjoyed much greater freedom before the Trudeau crowd came to power in '68. Hell, I'm still grouchy about them changing the flag in '65.

By the way, you do not register your car with the federal government - nor do you break a law by not registering that car provided you do not drive it. To own a gun without a licence is illegal, even if you do not use it. Some of us carry guns for more serious reasons than sport or fun. Perhaps the right to bear arms is not spelled out in our constitution, however government cannot give or take away the right to self defence or the right to life - that is God given. What should be amended in the constitution is a right to own private property without fear of government seizure without compensation.

 

[misfire]

Simply NOT so, I offer you this piece of evidence: several firearm dealers (more than two dozen) sell large orders of firearms to individuals, the individuals are typically repeat customers. We would benefit by a firearms office knowing the answers to these valuable questions: WHO are these people? Do they have a firearm LICENSE? Do they meet standard or get approved for AUTHROIZATION to purchase these firearms?

ESPECIALLY when these firearms used in homicides, assaults or ceased from drug dealers carrying them illegally are traced back to these SPECIFIC two dozen or so firearm dealers.

I think you answerred your own question with this statement. Seems to be unethical firearms dealers/criminals who are operating within the law to their advantage and society's detriment. Because these types exist, it seems your solution to curb these types is to add more restrictions on the law abiding and that is not right.

 

[dan belisle]

"anyone that argues otherwise need not post as I've heard it all before"

Ah yes, the liberal argument. Do a little more research, and you will find that areas of the US with CCW access have lower crime rates then the areas where they enact strict "Canadian style" gun laws. You will find that our system if registration does NOTHING to stop criminals, in fact, it makes previous law abiding citizens criminals do to the complexities of the new laws, and the rather "liberal" translation of these laws by the police. It alos stole a few billion dollars that would have made a REAL difference to crime on the streets, rather then the touchy feely "look, we did something" system that we ended up with. Welcome to the community, I hope your path opens your eyes in the future, and I also hope that it isn't a negative legal experience that does so. - dan

 

[dajoker]

Actually, I understand specifically Arrowhead in Georgia is also affecting New York. The Fifth Estate did a GREAT job of articulating that laws are different from state to state. What I'm calling for is NATIONAL reform on the U.S.'s part. Also, YES, I do believe in the gun registry, you should have to jump through a LOT of red tape before you're allowed to own a firearm!

It is Federal Law in the US that anyone wanting to purchase a firearm from an FFL is required to have a NICS check done. This is the equivalent of a CPIC check in Canada. Do you really believe that anymore than a CPIC check is done to a licence applicant in Canada? This red-tape you talk about in Canada is simply a CPIC check, all the waiting you see is simply that, waiting for the bureaucrats to do their jobs!

 

[pottsy]

Actually, I understand specifically Arrowhead in Georgia is also affecting New York. The Fifth Estate did a GREAT job of articulating that laws are different from state to state. What I'm calling for is NATIONAL reform on the U.S.'s part. Also, YES, I do believe in the gun registry, you should have to jump through a LOT of red tape before you're allowed to own a firearm!

Lastly, I still feel the argument of people paralleling golf clubs, cars, knives etc. as the same thing as a gun ridiculous, you're trying to trivialize the matter and that's not okay. Firearms are by far the most deadly of these so called weapons.

So the fact that you don't know anymore then what the CBC and The Fifth Estate tells you about these subjects automatically means that the CBC and The Fifth Estate are the end-all be-all of related information? Wow... you either need to pull your head out, learn some facts and research the history of this country in terms of firearms ownership or zip it. You are embarrassing yourself.

Nobody here is trying in any way shape or form to trivialize the illegal use of any 'implement' used to cause harm to another human being. BTW Accidents with cars kill so many more people in Canada then guns do that your trivialize that fact is ridiculous. Your statements to the opposite belie your true intent. Clearly you are here to incite and you are doing a good job of it. Luckily enough your BS is transparent.

You believe in a gun registry that even many Liberals don't now that they know how much of a useless pile of crap it is? Ha, you are a silly one. Criminals do not register guns. No crimes have been prevented due to the existence of the registry nor could they ever be. Handguns have required registration since 1934. Police treat all situations as though they may encounter weapons. Usage stats for the registry are bloated due to automatic lookups during routine stops etc. The registry is full of errors... do I need to go on or am I wasting my breath on a Troll?