Please Help! Should I buy WS-MCR or new Kodiak Defense WK180 Magpul edition??

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I am between a rock and a hard place (in a good sense)! I can only afford either the WS-MCR or a Kodiak Defense WK180 Magpul edition as a replacement to my AR. Which gun should I purchase and why? I heard of all of the issues with the WK180 and the mixed reviews on the WS-MCR. Little info on the internet on which is best. I was leaning towards the WS-MCR due to rear takedown pin and steel inserts in upper receiver, but the new WK180 Magpul edition has my attention! So gentlemen if you were me which would you buy? Also interested in hearing from current owners of both rifles.

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The WS-MCR, if for no other reason the steel inserts. I've had zero issues thus far... granted i've only put 350-400 rounds thru it.
 
darkestjedi said:
The WS-MCR, if for no other reason the steel inserts. I've had zero issues thus far... granted i've only put 350-400 rounds thru it.
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How is overall quality? Is the insert to hold in the hand guard an issue, does it remain in place? Also read that the 1913 rail on top is drilled in and not machined as part of the upper, does it hold zero? Last, what kind of accuracy are you getting at longer ranges? Thanks
 
KanadianShooter said:
How is overall quality? Is the insert to hold in the hand guard an issue, does it remain in place? Also read that the 1913 rail on top is drilled in and not machined as part of the upper, does it hold zero? Last, what kind of accuracy are you getting at longer ranges? Thanks
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Remington 700 and Savage 10 don't have a rail or mounts machined into the receiver, they're screwed in. I hear they can shoot pretty good.

Doesn't the wk180 have issues with chewing up the inside of the receiver?
 
Suther said:
Remington 700 and Savage 10 don't have a rail or mounts machined into the receiver, they're screwed in. I hear they can shoot pretty good.

Doesn't the wk180 have issues with chewing up the inside of the receiver?
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Yeah that's why I was hesitating to purchase the WK180. Apparently the MSR solves this issue with screwed in steel inserts. I wish I could just shoot my AR's, they are such a superior design:(
 
KanadianShooter said:
How is overall quality? Is the insert to hold in the hand guard an issue, does it remain in place? Also read that the 1913 rail on top is drilled in and not machined as part of the upper, does it hold zero? Last, what kind of accuracy are you getting at longer ranges? Thanks
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I'm running a Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6, did a rough bore sight at home then it only took about 5 or 6 rounds to dial it in w/ live fire. No zero shifting issues as of yet, 400-ish rounds over three sessions & three cleanings.
As for the 3D printed part, mine didn't have it to begin with... I'm not sure why that is... It may be because it's really low serial # (in the first 50) I guess the earlier hand guards fit flush against the receiver and subsequent ones were sourced elsewhere...? I dunno. It's the same as the one in BOLTR's youtube vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6MdZdDH330 realistically tho that wouldn't have been a deal breaker for me at all.

If i had to come up with a negative about the whole thing I'd say because of the barrel profile & length it feels a little front heavy but i think that's just in comparison to my 16-inch AR. I'll totally take the weight trade off for being able to take it out into the bush to shoot.

I really think you can't go wrong with the MCR. If you can find one and the price works for you... go for it!
 
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My wk is chewing the receiver up after less than 100 rounds. Aluminum shavings everywhere after each shooting session.
I messaged their customer service with an explanation and photos. The response was to not worry about it as long as it shoots fine.
I'm annoyed because I have guns made in the 60s that shoot fine and show zero wear in the action after going through generations of target shooting and hunting, but my brand new wk looks like it won't make 1000 rounds.

On top of that and the ethics issue. The NSR seems like a better option because of the steel plates on the receiver that should minimize wear coming from the bolt slide.
 
KanadianShooter said:
I am between a rock and a hard place (in a good sense)! I can only afford either the WS-MCR or a Kodiak Defense WK180 Magpul edition as a replacement to my AR. Which gun should I purchase and why? I heard of all of the issues with the WK180 and the mixed reviews on the WS-MCR. Little info on the internet on which is best. I was leaning towards the WS-MCR due to rear takedown pin and steel inserts in upper receiver, but the new WK180 Magpul edition has my attention! So gentlemen if you were me which would you buy? Also interested in hearing from current owners of both rifles.

Thanks
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I am much more pleased with the WS-MCR because every mag that didn't work in my wk-180 work in the WS-MCR, the trigger seems smoother and lighter in the ws-mcr than wk-180(side by side comparison-by feel or touch)putting new furniture on doesn't improve function! I also agree with what onetwentyish and darkestjedi posted
 
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Probably a good idea to by the MCR and upgrade the furniture to Magpul or another brand of your liking when you can. Having the steel plates for the bolt carrier to ride along and not eat the receiver good, I've heard no stories of the MCR's bolt carrier disintegrating, and having the trigger be much more livable out of the box then the WK's are all big pluses. You can always upgrade the MCR's buffer tube and stock later, when you get some extra funds.
 
smashyleroux said:
My wk is chewing the receiver up after less than 100 rounds. Aluminum shavings everywhere after each shooting session.
I messaged their customer service with an explanation and photos. The response was to not worry about it as long as it shoots fine.
I'm annoyed because I have guns made in the 60s that shoot fine and show zero wear in the action after going through generations of target shooting and hunting, but my brand new wk looks like it won't make 1000 rounds.

On top of that and the ethics issue. The NSR seems like a better option because of the steel plates on the receiver that should minimize wear coming from the bolt slide.
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I mean in fairness, if it isn't impacting the function of the rifle does ot actually matter?

I've put 5k through mine and yeah at the start it got chewed up but it never impacted whether or not the rifle worked.

I have not used the WS-MCR. All things being equal I would prefer a rifle that didn't chew itself but from a practical point of view if one costs a couple $hundred more with no discernable functional improvement then I lesn toward the more affordable. But thats just me.

On a side note the WK180C can have a bolt hold open/release catch installed. This is very nice to have.
 
Bratwurst said:
I mean in fairness, if it isn't impacting the function of the rifle does ot actually matter?

I've put 5k through mine and yeah at the start it got chewed up but it never impacted whether or not the rifle worked.

I have not used the WS-MCR. All things being equal I would prefer a rifle that didn't chew itself but from a practical point of view if one costs a couple $hundred more with no discernable functional improvement then I lesn toward the more affordable. But thats just me.

On a side note the WK180C can have a bolt hold open/release catch installed. This is very nice to have.
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Is there any reason the MCR couldn't take the RWA Bolt Release upgrade? I asked Wolverine but they had not idea if it could or not, that being said they didn't have any idea why it wouldn't.
 
Bratwurst said:
I mean in fairness, if it isn't impacting the function of the rifle does ot actually matter?

I've put 5k through mine and yeah at the start it got chewed up but it never impacted whether or not the rifle worked.

I have not used the WS-MCR. All things being equal I would prefer a rifle that didn't chew itself but from a practical point of view if one costs a couple $hundred more with no discernable functional improvement then I lesn toward the more affordable. But thats just me.

On a side note the WK180C can have a bolt hold open/release catch installed. This is very nice to have.
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Wait. Are you saying that from the factory neither gun has a last round hold open?
 
Suther said:
Wait. Are you saying that from the factory neither gun has a last round hold open?
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The WK-180C has a last round hold open, but it only works after the last round has been fired and the magazine is empty. There is no external button/lever which can be used to hold the bolt to the rear with: no magazine in the rifle or a magazine with rounds in it in the rifle.

This makes clearing jams/stoppages and/or presenting the rifle as safe (ie. empty chamber visible) harder as one must reach up through the magazine housing and pressing the last round catch upward while holding the bolt to the rear.

I am not familiar with the WS-MCR however I see no reason why it would not be the same.
 
The WK180C front receiver pin is held in place by a C-clip. On the MCR , the front receiver pin is a standard push pin like AR15.
The MCR also has a rear push pin to tighten up the lock up between upper and lower receiver.
 
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