Advice wanted 12g Ammo for home family Care

*happened next door some years ago...*

Yeah, home invasions are statistically rare in Canada. But the current Stats Can numbers on home robberies involving violence against the residents, with or without a weapon (about 18% are committed using a firearm) indicate it's a bit more than 20 per 100,000 population. For comparison the odds of being killed in a motor vehicle accident are about 7 per 100,000. So the risk of a violent home invasion (sorry for a bit of false equivalence - I'm not trying to equate death by vehicle with a home invasion where most victims survive, just a point of comparison) is almost 3 times as high as the risk of death by automobile. One can safely assume that the number injured each year in motor vehicle 'accidents' is considerably higher than the rate of home invasions including violence.

*I would suggest a Glock 20 or 21 in a finger print activated bedside vault also containing a loaded mag. Two seconds to open. Insert mag, rack, point and shoot.*

Sure. A PCC in 9mm is similarly quick to access and load, but with the advantage of being non-restricted, so that storage requirements are slightly less stringent here.

*In such a stressful situation, where the adrenaline is full bore, these are non issues*

HUH? I mean, WTF? Have you ever watched people trying to perform even relatively simple tasks under high stress and utterly failing to execute? Happens all the time. There are technical terms to describe this basic phenomenon, but basically it comes down to most people having hands like those of a mannequin wearing thick fur gloves while trying to play a tune on the guitar. The odd person will not suffer this, but for many it's the sad reality of their brain/hormonal interface. They just fall apart. Many won't even get so far as to display such failure, they'll just do the deer-in-the-headlights thing and stand there frozen. I've seen it too often with even modest stress to pretend it doesn't happen. Everyone's a hero until adrenaline fills the mind and that's when one finds out how their particular operating system either continues to function or goes blue screen with a confusing error message. Of course regular, properly configured training can help a lot here... but how many of us do that?

*Really.....?? Ahem....7 yards....12 gauge ya it would remove an arm or leg or leave a can size hole in your perp...*

No argument here.

*No kids in house*

Well that's honest. Many don't have kids. Many do. I'm thinking of my 14-year-old in such a scenario, and the fact that his bedroom is not all that far from ours... hence my choice of wax filled shot with #7.5 in a low recoil 2-3/4" shell. Seems to cover the bases. Puts a neat 3/4" hole in whatever it hits first, then instantly melts and spreads, losing velocity fast as it comes out of that target and hits the second barrier. If it makes it that far. Typically creates a conical wound channel of relatively short length compared to a slug, while not suffering the quick spread of a plain shot shell from a short barrel.

*Or don't. That is the first thing your perp will see and react to...and shoot at,, so you better get off the first shot...*

Good point if your having picked up the gun results in the light automatically turning on. But with a light being mounted and optional, it's a very handy thing to have if/when you might need to see what's in front of you and your hands are full of gun, making grabbing a flashlight somewhat tricky. Same for hitting a light switch. A properly set up gun light provides another tool in the kit. It isn't mandatory to use, but having it available is basic. If worried about painting yourself as a target against an assailant in an unknown position, simply hold the gun off to one side of you while turning on the flashlight, reducing your odds of a shot in the direction of the light resulting in injury.
 
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HUH? I mean, WTF? Have you ever watched people trying to perform even relatively simple tasks under high stress and utterly failing to execute? Happens all the time. There are technical terms to describe this basic phenomenon, but basically it comes down to most people having hands like those of a mannequin wearing thick fur gloves while trying to play a tune on the guitar. The odd person will not suffer this, but for many it's the sad reality of their brain/hormonal interface. They just fall apart. Many won't even get so far as to display such failure, they'll just do the deer-in-the-headlights thing and stand there frozen. I've seen it too often with even modest stress to pretend it doesn't happen. Everyone's a hero until adrenaline fills the mind and that's when one finds out how their particular operating system either continues to function or goes blue screen with a confusing error message. Of course regular, properly configured training can help a lot here... but how many of us do that?

I was referring to gauge/shotgun 'recoil' being a concern in such a scenario....not about loading anything!
Thanks for replies!
 
I was referring to gauge/shotgun 'recoil' being a concern in such a scenario....not about loading anything!
Thanks for replies!

Ah, got ya. Sorry I misinterpreted that comment. I agree that recoil isn't going to be much of a consideration in such circumstances. Either one will be strong and prepared enough to hang on to the shotgun, or the thing will go flying backwards because the defender hasn't done his homework, in which case one would have to hope that first shot found its mark.

Good discussion here now and then, nice to see ideas and experiences being shared. Some of the jokes can be a bit much... but whatever, all in good fun I guess.
 
#9 target load, at the distance you will encounter it’s will do the job, and minimize over penetration. Not to mention less likely to look like pre meditation.
 
A 12 gauge at inside the house range will be effective with just about any ammo. However if it is not for predator protection then it is against the law to store loaded. It takes a lot of practice to load a shotgun fast. Yes there are mag fed shot guns I have owned a couple but I have found them not as reliable as tube fed. Anyway going from safe storage to ready for family care could take awhile. Consider what you can do to give you that time. Perhaps outside swing doors that can’t be kicked. Mining the living room with LEGO could be effective.
 
It's not f**cking rocket science, If it comes right down to it, shoot what you have and if necessary, beat the f@ck to death with something heavy or stab them.

It's your life and family, make your own decision.

Up next, boxers or briefs, what's the best home defense ball huggers.
 
It's not f**cking rocket science, If it comes right down to it, shoot what you have and if necessary, beat the f@ck to death with something heavy or stab them.

It's your life and family, make your own decision.

Up next, boxers or briefs, what's the best home defense ball huggers.

Your first mistake is thinking clothes give you an advantage in a HD situation. Neked is light, light is fast.
 
Ah, got ya. Sorry I misinterpreted that comment. I agree that recoil isn't going to be much of a consideration in such circumstances. Either one will be strong and prepared enough to hang on to the shotgun, or the thing will go flying backwards because the defender hasn't done his homework, in which case one would have to hope that first shot found its mark.

Good discussion here now and then, nice to see ideas and experiences being shared. Some of the jokes can be a bit much... but whatever, all in good fun I guess.

Agreed. Enjoyable to engage in constructive discussion. Cheers once more~!
 
So someone breaks into your home and is raping your daughter and you’re just going to sit there shaking your head, maybe offering some supporting words for your daughter to just hang in there. You’re the one who needs help. Go read the criminal code.

00 buck... low recoil 1200 feet per second. Out of my 14” shotgun at 20 feet the spread is the size of a small dinner plate.

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Bill Blair says that the Police are for your protection ....not firearms in the hands of citizens...
 
The only high stakes situation Blair has ever been apart of is finding himself at the bottom of the bottle and needs to make a beer run.
As for ammo choic, 8 straight whistling bear bangers
 
My first instinct to a question like this is to ask....
Who are you afraid of?
Why?
You can't legally keep a loaded shotgun in your house and if children or irresponsible adults could gain access to the gun it could be disastrous and just plain stupid.
If you must have "home defense" I would suggest you either move or pursue a different lifestyle, as appropriate. Non lethal black powder "flashbangs" would make lots of noise, flame and smoke, indoors it would scare the crap out of anybody.
 
My first instinct to a question like this is to ask....
Who are you afraid of?
Why?
You can't legally keep a loaded shotgun in your house and if children or irresponsible adults could gain access to the gun it could be disastrous and just plain stupid.
If you must have "home defense" I would suggest you either move or pursue a different lifestyle, as appropriate. Non lethal black powder "flashbangs" would make lots of noise, flame and smoke, indoors it would scare the crap out of anybody.

I’m not sure making homemade explosives is safer than having a shotgun, or more easily defensible in court. Non lethal and explosives is a matter of proximity. Wouldn’t a 12g blank round be a little easier to implement and explain after the fact? It takes very little time to load a round into a shotgun, for me keeping a loaded one is definitely foolish in some respects, but who am I to judge.
 
My first instinct to a question like this is to ask....
Who are you afraid of?
Why?
You can't legally keep a loaded shotgun in your house and if children or irresponsible adults could gain access to the gun it could be disastrous and just plain stupid.
If you must have "home defense" I would suggest you either move or pursue a different lifestyle, as appropriate. Non lethal black powder "flashbangs" would make lots of noise, flame and smoke, indoors it would scare the crap out of anybody.

Someone believes the hype that as advertised non lethal rounds inside a house continue to be a nonethal option. (bet u that the factory box says otherwise at less than X feet) Plus who really wants the additional possible fire hazard purposefully discharging a BP shotshell or two inside your insured household? In both instances sounds like a Wile E. cartoon.
 
My first instinct to a question like this is to ask....
Who are you afraid of?
Why?
You can't legally keep a loaded shotgun in your house and if children or irresponsible adults could gain access to the gun it could be disastrous and just plain stupid.
If you must have "home defense" I would suggest you either move or pursue a different lifestyle, as appropriate. Non lethal black powder "flashbangs" would make lots of noise, flame and smoke, indoors it would scare the crap out of anybody.

My first instinct is to ask you why you feel a desire to protect yourself and your family has to be driven out of fear? And what neighborhood is guarunteed to never have a home invasion ever or your money back? The reality is these things do happen and some people prefer to have the means to control the situation rather than simply go along with it. I know a guy who was stabbed when 3 dudes broke into his place in the middle of the day. He thought it was his roomates but went out to the living room because his dog was going ape ####. He was immediately attacked and stabbed before they ran away. He called 911 and lied on the floor in a pool of his own blood hoping he makes it. Just a normal guy in a nice neighborhood. No sketchy friends or acquaintances. Randomly targeted by thieves. His girlfriend and dog were in his bedroom thankfully. That's why.
 
But supernova; victim blaming is all the rage these days. After all, those three guys invading your friend's home were probably harmed by various intersectional and historical elements affecting their lives, their childhoods, such that they were the real victims. Your friend forced them into an untenable situation by surprising them in their desperate pursuit of income (robbing his home) because they had no doubt been excluded from the 'normative' revenue sources guys like him (with his heteronormative family, as you've presented it, and dogs... don't get me started about dogs, they're basically fascist-enabling murder monsters) take for granted. Geez. Get with the times already. And don't forget to vote Liberal or NDP next time you're granted the privilege of expressing yourself politically.
 
My first instinct is to ask you why you feel a desire to protect yourself and your family has to be driven out of fear? And what neighborhood is guarunteed to never have a home invasion ever or your money back? The reality is these things do happen and some people prefer to have the means to control the situation rather than simply go along with it. I know a guy who was stabbed when 3 dudes broke into his place in the middle of the day. He thought it was his roomates but went out to the living room because his dog was going ape ####. He was immediately attacked and stabbed before they ran away. He called 911 and lied on the floor in a pool of his own blood hoping he makes it. Just a normal guy in a nice neighborhood. No sketchy friends or acquaintances. Randomly targeted by thieves. His girlfriend and dog were in his bedroom thankfully. That's why.

Place where I live is nice and middle class. But there's a skytrain not far away.
There have been reports in my neighbourhood of an agitated guy banging on doors looking for 'Linda'. When the door opens, he get's increasingly confrontational and then tries to push his way into the house. At 2-3am. By the time the cops come, he is long gone. The cop shop is a 2 minute drive away.

A friend of mine lives on the Island, down the street they put in temporary/affordable/vulnerable people (ie druggies) housing. Cue tanking house values, thanks for dumping your life savings into the property market chump. Anyway. Wife and a friend were home, having tea like ladies do when menfolk are out doing things. Suddenly there's a guy in the living room, looking confused. It's a nice neighbourhood, the door wasn't locked. The two women gently turn him around and usher him out. And probably throw a splash of irish in the tea.
30 minutes later confused returns and boots the door in, now confused AND agitated. The women folk retreat to the upstairs bedroom and bar the door while calling 911. By the time cops show up, confused and agitated is gone, and the two women are now shaken and scared.

Two stories, one very close to home, one not so much.

The way our country is going is not in the direction that is safer or better for regular folks. Yeah drug addicts and criminals because of the systemic racism and lack of opportunities they have faced are being treated better than ever; but that does not increase the security of joe and josie blow. When the police do show up their hands are tied - at best. The media has little interest in covering these kinds of things truthfully as it would be difficult without making it painfully obvious who the types of people are that are committing these crimes, I doubt more than a slim percentage of incidents get reported in the media. Canada is a safe and friendly place after all, wouldn't want to tarnish that reputation.
 
I’m not sure making homemade explosives is safer than having a shotgun, or more easily defensible in court. Non lethal and explosives is a matter of proximity. Wouldn’t a 12g blank round be a little easier to implement and explain after the fact? It takes very little time to load a round into a shotgun, for me keeping a loaded one is definitely foolish in some respects, but who am I to judge.

Sorry, Should have been more clear, I was referring to 12 gauge black powder blanks to use in his 12 gauge that should not be easily accessible. Easy to make, even without a shotgun reloading press.
 
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