WS-MCR - Ongoing Impressions

Redblack said:
I’ve been reading up on the MCR but I’ve noticed that there seems to be a lot of changes since they were introduced. For example I see two different styles of handguards and buttstocks. Which one is the newest version?



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The top one is the newest style. The receivers are now setup for left side charging only and have the squared up handguard. They either come with the buffer tube and knock-off magpul stock or the Spectre "galil" folding stock.
 
well after handling the rifle for a week or too...." picking it up..holding it...bringing it up to my shoulder a& aiming".....Man this rifle is Beyond HEAVY

I'm sure it weighs more than my old 308 FN semi auto. Its almost ridiculous. For a 223 rifle ..this is built like a TANK !
This weight is overkill for a 223.
I cant imagine trotting through the bushes with this......Its like carrying a "jack- All"
If this was a 308 or larger,...I could understand.
I'm sure its never gonna break LOL
Its just to much for me." I'm a little guy".
Guess I'm going T97

I'm sure it would be an excellent "bench" shooting rifle,..or if you had a bi pod on and your waiting for Yotes.
but I'm not that guy. I like to walk a lot.....miles through bush ect.
I really dont want to do that with this rifle.
Its heavier than my sks with the Mag rail and scope.
The Mcr is very front heavy...and I understand if you want a NR rifle that 18 inches of steel has to be hanging off the end.
the T97 doesnt have this issue. Do I prefer the t97 over the mcr.?....not really ..but what else am I gonna do.
 
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lone ranger said:
well after handling the rifle for a week or too...." picking it up..holding it...bringing it up to my shoulder a& aiming".....Man this rifle is Beyond HEAVY

I'm sure it weighs more than my old 308 FN semi auto. Its almost ridiculous. For a 223 rifle ..this is built like a TANK !
This weight is overkill for a 223.
I cant imagine trotting through the bushes with this......Its like carrying a "jack- All"
If this was a 308 or larger,...I could understand.
I'm sure its never gonna break LOL
Its just to much for me." I'm a little guy".
Guess I'm going T97

I'm sure it would be an excellent "bench" shooting rifle,..or if you had a bi pod on and your waiting for Yotes.
but I'm not that guy. I like to walk a lot.....miles through bush ect.
I really dont want to do that with this rifle.
Its heavier than my sks with the Mag rail and scope.
The Mcr is very front heavy...and I understand if you want a NR rifle that 18 inches of steel has to be hanging off the end.
the T97 doesnt have this issue. Do I prefer the t97 over the mcr.?....not really ..but what else am I gonna do.
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An SKS weighs 3.85kg, a Type 97 3.7kg, and a FN FNAR 308 4.03kg

The WS-MCR is 3.35KG, 13% less than an SKS, 9.5% less than a type 97 and 17% less than the FN (Numbers rounded for ease of reading)

Last but not least the C7 rifle weighs 3.3kg, so it seems to be spot on in comparative weight between its 508mm barrel relative

A sling may be beneficial to you, or the shorter Type 97 might be good to help compact the weight :)
 
lone ranger said:
well after handling the rifle for a week or too...." picking it up..holding it...bringing it up to my shoulder a& aiming".....Man this rifle is Beyond HEAVY

I'm sure it weighs more than my old 308 FN semi auto. Its almost ridiculous. For a 223 rifle ..this is built like a TANK !
This weight is overkill for a 223.
I cant imagine trotting through the bushes with this......Its like carrying a "jack- All"
If this was a 308 or larger,...I could understand.
I'm sure its never gonna break LOL
Its just to much for me." I'm a little guy".
Guess I'm going T97

I'm sure it would be an excellent "bench" shooting rifle,..or if you had a bi pod on and your waiting for Yotes.
but I'm not that guy. I like to walk a lot.....miles through bush ect.
I really dont want to do that with this rifle.
Its heavier than my sks with the Mag rail and scope.
The Mcr is very front heavy...and I understand if you want a NR rifle that 18 inches of steel has to be hanging off the end.
the T97 doesnt have this issue. Do I prefer the t97 over the mcr.?....not really ..but what else am I gonna do.
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It's honestly not all that heavy. The version with the folder weighs 8.4lbs. Heavier than it should be, sure, but not too heavy to carry around in the bush. An average FAL is 1-1.5lbs heavier. I don't know how it could be heavier than your SKS with a rail and optic since a stock SKS weighs about 8.5lbs. Swap out your folder for a buffer tube and stock and you'll drop 3/4lbs. That would make it a few oz heavier than a C7...
 
Bratwurst said:
An SKS weighs 3.85kg, a Type 97 3.7kg, and a FN FNAR 308 4.03kg

The WS-MCR is 3.35KG, 13% less than an SKS, 9.5% less than a type 97 and 17% less than the FN (Numbers rounded for ease of reading)

Last but not least the C7 rifle weighs 3.3kg, so it seems to be spot on in comparative weight between its 508mm barrel relative

A sling may be beneficial to you, or the shorter Type 97 might be good to help compact the weight :)
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Haha, ya beat me to it
 
lone ranger said:
well after handling the rifle for a week or too...." picking it up..holding it...bringing it up to my shoulder a& aiming".....Man this rifle is Beyond HEAVY

I'm sure it weighs more than my old 308 FN semi auto. Its almost ridiculous. For a 223 rifle ..this is built like a TANK !
This weight is overkill for a 223.
I cant imagine trotting through the bushes with this......Its like carrying a "jack- All"
If this was a 308 or larger,...I could understand.
I'm sure its never gonna break LOL
Its just to much for me." I'm a little guy".
Guess I'm going T97

I'm sure it would be an excellent "bench" shooting rifle,..or if you had a bi pod on and your waiting for Yotes.
but I'm not that guy. I like to walk a lot.....miles through bush ect.
I really dont want to do that with this rifle.
Its heavier than my sks with the Mag rail and scope.
The Mcr is very front heavy...and I understand if you want a NR rifle that 18 inches of steel has to be hanging off the end.
the T97 doesnt have this issue. Do I prefer the t97 over the mcr.?....not really ..but what else am I gonna do.
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Definitely agree with this. It's more so for me where the weight is, though, as opposed to the overall weight.

It's a very front-heavy rifle and once you add on accessories like a WML, LPVO, mount for LPVO etc it adds up.

In my opinion, guns are just like other machines - it all depends where the weight is and how it's distributed more than overall weight. It does get tiresome doing drills and shooting off bench with this thing so I've since just built mine into a DMR-setup with bipod now and won't be using it as a bush gun or dynamic CQB gun anymore. Doing tactical reloads or quick mag changes while trying to stay on target over and over again wearing full gear is exhausting for me but at least I've been getting a good right arm workout haha. I was tempted to go T97 as well but then realized that I hate the ergos and controls. Unfortunately, it's slim pickings for semi-affordable NR rifles. Then again, the WK180C is considerably lighter (in the front-end where it matters to me) than the MCR with the pencil barrel and shorter handguard so maybe that's something to consider? I'm sure someone would be interested in a trade with you for the MCR.

I'm continuously impressed with how accurate this thing is. My seat-of-pants metre when compare it back to back with a WK shows a noticeable improvement at distances of more than 100m - but that's not science, it's just my personal experience.
 
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lone ranger said:
well after handling the rifle for a week or too...." picking it up..holding it...bringing it up to my shoulder a& aiming".....Man this rifle is Beyond HEAVY

I'm sure it weighs more than my old 308 FN semi auto. Its almost ridiculous. For a 223 rifle ..this is built like a TANK !
This weight is overkill for a 223.
I cant imagine trotting through the bushes with this......Its like carrying a "jack- All"
If this was a 308 or larger,...I could understand.
I'm sure its never gonna break LOL
Its just to much for me." I'm a little guy".
Guess I'm going T97

I'm sure it would be an excellent "bench" shooting rifle,..or if you had a bi pod on and your waiting for Yotes.
but I'm not that guy. I like to walk a lot.....miles through bush ect.
I really dont want to do that with this rifle.
Its heavier than my sks with the Mag rail and scope.
The Mcr is very front heavy...and I understand if you want a NR rifle that 18 inches of steel has to be hanging off the end.
the T97 doesnt have this issue. Do I prefer the t97 over the mcr.?....not really ..but what else am I gonna do.
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If you're handy, maybe you can trade your barrel to Adriel the Hunting Gear guy for the lighter one from his WK, and he could redo his accuracy test on it with a heavier barrel? Alternatively, Xtreme will be making
a rifle length op rod for barrels with a rifle length gas system; perhaps you could swap it for a lighter profile standard AR barrel.
 
noodlenottacop said:
Then again, the WK180C is considerably lighter (in the front-end where it matters to me) than the MCR with the pencil barrel a
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I'm not sure I would call it a pencil barrel, I tried to research barrel thickness categories for pencil/medium/thick profile barrels but couldn't find anything.

It's also worth noting that new WK-180Cs have a thicker barrel profile than older ones
 
Bratwurst said:
I'm not sure I would call it a pencil barrel, I tried to research barrel thickness categories for pencil/medium/thick profile barrels but couldn't find anything.

It's also worth noting that new WK-180Cs have a thicker barrel profile than older ones
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That's fair - I don't know it for a fact to be pencil but there is a noticeable weight difference between the two when comparing side-by-side - also, if accuracy and temp after dumping a bunch of rounds is any indicator, the MCR barrel definitely heats up way less. Also, I'm comparing a gen 1 WK to a gen 1 MCR so things might be different.

TLDR: I'm going by my personal anecdotal experience :) I could very well be working on outdated info.
 
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Mine is the folder model. It does add weight.
Then you put on your Iron sites...then you put on your red dot then add a sling.....then a front grip or handle, then put a full coupled Lar mags in......boy oh boy...it adds up.

Just my 2cents. I'm sure there are larger guys that have No issues....but for me, its a game changer.
And yes....this is a horribly balanced rifle with sharp edges.

I miss my Ruger Mini
 
Would there be a market for a Titanium edition, with Titanium instead of steel side inserts, a short hand lightweight handguard, and a lightweight but accurate high quality fluted barrel?
 
Ustauk said:
Would there be a market for a Titanium edition, with Titanium instead of steel side inserts, a short hand lightweight handguard, and a lightweight but accurate high quality fluted barrel?
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For me price isnt an issue. I certainly would pay more for a Lighter, more balanced rifle. hands down.
At least I could use it for My purpose.

I think in time you will see a new different version come out, there seems to be a lot of talk on the forum about the barrel allready.

I understand that they were trying to build a better stronger rifle and meet the buyers complaints on the first 180 model, and I think they have done just that.
But....made it a bit heavier than some people would have liked. so, yes,..use different materials. they are a good company and I have no doubt some where down the road they will resolve this.
 
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If money's not an issue, I'd recommend buying a pencil barrel and switching to a lightweight 10" handguard - make sure it has clearance for gas black, though. That'll help a ton.

lone ranger said:
For me price isnt an issue. I certainly would pay more for a Lighter, more balanced rifle. hands down.
At least I could use it for My purpose.

I think in time you will see a new different version come out, there seems to be a lot of talk on the forum about the barrel allready.

I understand that they were trying to build a better stronger rifle and meet the buyers complaints on the first 180 model, and I think they have done just that.
But....made it a bit heavier than some people would have liked. so, yes,..use different materials. they are a good company and I have no doubt some where down the road they will resolve this.
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Ustauk said:
Would there be a market for a Titanium edition, with Titanium instead of steel side inserts, a short hand lightweight handguard, and a lightweight but accurate high quality fluted barrel?
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You'd really be clutching at straws by trying to get any weight savings from going steel to titanium.

A carbon fibre mid length handguard and a flute barrel are likely good steps
 
lone ranger said:
For me price isnt an issue. I certainly would pay more for a Lighter, more balanced rifle. hands down.
At least I could use it for My purpose.

I think in time you will see a new different version come out, there seems to be a lot of talk on the forum about the barrel allready.

I understand that they were trying to build a better stronger rifle and meet the buyers complaints on the first 180 model, and I think they have done just that.
But....made it a bit heavier than some people would have liked. so, yes,..use different materials. they are a good company and I have no doubt some where down the road they will resolve this.
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Have you considered ordering a WX-MCR receiver kit, a proprietary parts kit, and then adding parts you choose tailored for lightness? If you don't want to do the build yourself, maybe Xtreme could build a custom light WX-MCR to your specifications. Good luck with whatever you decide!
 
Off-topic but this thread just made me really sad. I miss our ARs something fierce and it's ridiculous because I have more considerably more money into both my MCR and my WK than any of my ARs or previously NR variants and neither of them are on-par with an AR for half the money. I know I'm not alone but just wanted to commiserate.
 
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