DND Releases Draft Tender for the C22 Modular Pistol

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Looks like the ball is finally rolling on the BHP replacement. Soldier Systems Daily recently announced that the DND's draft tender for the C22 Modular Pistol has been published:
ht tps://soldiersystems.net/2021/02/27/canadian-department-of-national-defence-releases-draft-tender-for-c22-modular-pistol/.
You can read the tender documents via this link: ht tps://buyandsell.gc.ca/procurement-data/tender-notice/PW-BM-039-28121

Some relevant requirements, lifted from Annex C (Technical Specifications). MTBF, drop testing, environment testing, accuracy testing etc can be found here too.

- “Modular Pistol” is defined as a pistol where the entire trigger and firing
mechanism can be removed and dropped into another pistol frame size.
The pistol frame could be a different size for the same calibre or a pistol
frame for a different calibre pistol. This will allow the army the flexibility
to convert between calibre and frame sizes with the purchase of a
conversion kit.

- Must be chambered in 9x19mm and rated for +P

- Caliber conversion kits to .40 S&W must be available without having to change the trigger mechanism.

- Must be striker fired, magazine capacity at least 17rds. Mags must drop free.

- Barrel length 105mm (min) to 125mm (max). Ability to mount a suppressor by simply changing to a threaded barrel is required.

- Empty weight with an empty magazine inserted should be no more than 840g. Max length is 220mm, max height 145mm.

- Must have front and rear serrations on the slide. Sights must be square notch 3-dot style.

- Must have direct-attach optics slide available for common red dots (RMR, Leupold DPP).

- Must have a 1913 accessory rail on the frame

- Trigger pull must be the same for all shots. Minimum pull weight 2.5kg, max 3.0kg. Trigger must not be user adjustable.

- Must have an ambi slide lock.

- Must have a visible + tactile loaded chamber indicator on the top of the slide.

- Must have a striker deactivation mechanism or system to allow the operator to disassemble the pistol without pulling the trigger. Using a tool for this task is permitted but must be included with the pistol.

- Must not have a manually applied safety mechanism.

- Must not have an external thumb, finger or grip decocking device or lever.

- Mag release must be located where the trigger guard meets the grip handle. Must also be ambi, but being swappable from L to R is permitted.

- Grip frames must be available in S, M, L sizes, either thru a complete grip assembly or thru replaceable back straps.

- The exterior finish of the pistol will be FDE. Internal components must be rust and sal####er corrosion resistant.

- The holster will be a polymer Level 2 retention configuration, also in FDE.

Possible Contenders (unofficial):
-Sig P320, likely a version of the M17 without a manual safety
-Steyr L9-A2 MF, provided an optic-ready slide is developed
-Beretta APX
-IWI Masada
-Ruger American (not exactly modular but might be 'modular enough' to qualify) Would need front slide serrations and an optic ready slide.


Reading through these requirements, they seem like they are very much meant for some flavour of Sig P320, probably looking close to the M17 or the version selected by the Danes (ht tps://soldiersystems.net/2018/04/12/danish-armed-forces-begins-fielding-sig-p320-x-carry/). Another possibility would be the Steyr L9-A2 MF, which seems to meet all the requirements except for the optic-ready slide, which shouldn't be too hard to manage. It doesn't sound like the Glock 17 would meet the modular trigger or disassembly requirements, unless they made some kind of special variant. I consider that unlikely given the relatively small order size. Either way, I am happy to see the project moving forward at all considering it has taken this long.
 
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Am I the only one who picked up the CZ, which now owns Colt and Colt-Canada, has produced a modular 9mm handgun they call the C10?
 
This will take away a lot of options:

"Must have a visible + tactile loaded chamber indicator on the top of the slide"

Not surprising why they would want that, tons of numpties with ND's. I'm am surprised at the .40 S&W conversion though, who the frigg wants that?
 
Sounds tailor made for the Sig P320. However the Beretta APX would also qualify for this competition. The Beretta APX is a infinitely better pistol in my opinion. However since they already went with the P320 for JTF2, the winner of this contest is already a forgone conclusion.
 
Sounds tailor made for the Sig P320. However the Beretta APX would also qualify for this competition. The Beretta APX is a infinitely better pistol in my opinion. However since they already went with the P320 for JTF2, the winner of this contest is already a forgone conclusion.

I had not realised the APX was also modular. That's an interesting option. So it seems like it's Sig P320 / Steyr L9-A2 MF / Beretta APX as likely candidates.
 
Sounds tailor made for the Sig P320. However the Beretta APX would also qualify for this competition. The Beretta APX is a infinitely better pistol in my opinion. However since they already went with the P320 for JTF2, the winner of this contest is already a forgone conclusion.

Except that they've already pulled those from service. Could still happen, but I'm also thinking the HK SFP9 could be a contender (save for the tactile loaded chamber indicator). CZ though, especially now that they own Colt, could definitely have the upper hand.
 
Except that they've already pulled those from service. Could still happen, but I'm also thinking the HK SFP9 could be a contender (save for the tactile loaded chamber indicator). CZ though, especially now that they own Colt, could definitely have the upper hand.

CANSOFCOM procurement is separate from CAF overarching procurement, but the apparent failure of the P320 with CANSOF doesn't bode well for it as a competitor for the CAF, that's for sure. You never know, though!

Bradley
 
I could definitely see a section commander overseas, switching out his barrel, installing a threaded one and mounting his suppressor and attaching a MRDS. CF is doomed.
Britain and France bought Glocks, what's to "over think" here???
 
CANSOFCOM procurement is separate from CAF overarching procurement, but the apparent failure of the P320 with CANSOF doesn't bode well for it as a competitor for the CAF, that's for sure. You never know, though!

Bradley

Apparently the issue was traced to an operator using a modded P226 holster, which activated the trigger during re-holstering. That's according to Sig (ht tps://soldiersystems.net/2021/02/05/sig-sauer-statement-on-cansofcom-incident/):

The firearm involved has been extensively tested by SIG SAUER and it has been determined to be safe. The investigation revealed the use of an incorrect holster not designed for a P320. The use of a modified P226 holster created an unsafe condition by allowing a foreign object to enter the holster, causing the unintended discharge.




320 doesn't have a " tactile loaded chamber indicator ".

The Sig M17 / M18, which are part of the P320 family, does have a tactile loaded chamber indicator on the top of the slide.
 
Apparently the issue was traced to an operator using a modded P226 holster, which activated the trigger during re-holstering. That's according to Sig (ht tps://soldiersystems.net/2021/02/05/sig-sauer-statement-on-cansofcom-incident/):

The Sig M17 / M18, which are part of the P320 family, does have a tactile loaded chamber indicator on the top of the slide.

My guess is Johnnie Go-Fast the operator was using a personal P226 holster on his personal rig?
 
So what are the pistols on the market right now that meet all these qualifications? It will be a short list.

Here's your answer;

Colt Canada awarded 70 million dollar contract to produce 20,000 Colt Canada striker fired pistols;

1) Unit cost: It includes previous years of extensive R&D, prototypes, trials, publication of CFTO's, procurement of specialized equipment required for manufacturing these units (plus that equipment will be used in the future for other products), training for both soldiers and Techs, parts & tooling (which was hugely important-The CAF has a bad habit of buying things and no tooling, parts or training to support it). There's so much more into this then just the "unit cost per pistol". And to those of you saying "I have basically the same thing" sorry, no you don't. This is a completely new design from the ground up. Barrels, slides, frames, all different and new. I can attest that this is not a run of the mill striker fired pistol, it's in a class of it's own. There's a few good options out there, but we can pretty much assume that, as well as all other projects in the works for weapons replacement, are collectively and indefinitely on hold now due to COVID spending.
 
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