HU: Norinco '.22 KKW Trainer' (now with pics)
- Thread starter MauserMike
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I paid over $300 for mine from Milarm back when they first came out on the market - forget when that was or the exact price, but around $350 with tax and shipping rings a bell.
Good gun for the money nonetheless. The finish on mine is not bad. I have found that early Norincos are better finished that the later made ones - this goes for all their guns.
BTW since this is based on the BRNO action, you can get a higher capacity mag for it. I have one and I think it holds 15rds - VERY costly though. The downside of this is that it sticks down and looks weird. Not for display pursposes, but adds more shooting time instead of reloading time on the range.
CD
Good gun for the money nonetheless. The finish on mine is not bad. I have found that early Norincos are better finished that the later made ones - this goes for all their guns.
BTW since this is based on the BRNO action, you can get a higher capacity mag for it. I have one and I think it holds 15rds - VERY costly though. The downside of this is that it sticks down and looks weird. Not for display pursposes, but adds more shooting time instead of reloading time on the range.
CD
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aftermidnight
CGN frequent flyer
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- West Kelowna BC
lever arms carries the 10 round mags.. 2 for 36.00 (for sure) or 19 each (i think).
Jw25a
I got mine this evening - spent and hour and a half cleaning it up. Metal seems not too bad except around the receiver end where the scope grooves are - looks like someone hacked at it with a file. Bore is decent, wood is OK, I got a spot of what looks like filler just ahead of the mag area but for $99 who's to complain. With the gunk out of the bolt, firing pin strikes are deep and consistent. I haven't sat down for any accuracy trials but soon I hope. This is one rifle I wouldn't care it dropping out in the field should I slip and fall. Lever was decent with their phone service, but I was concerned when they UPS'ed it for $35 and the UPS fellow gave it to my neighbour, no signature required or adult required
To my door just east of Toronto grand total was $142. I've bought a lot worse for more money. I suggest they would make a great present under the tree for a new shooter.
I got mine this evening - spent and hour and a half cleaning it up. Metal seems not too bad except around the receiver end where the scope grooves are - looks like someone hacked at it with a file. Bore is decent, wood is OK, I got a spot of what looks like filler just ahead of the mag area but for $99 who's to complain. With the gunk out of the bolt, firing pin strikes are deep and consistent. I haven't sat down for any accuracy trials but soon I hope. This is one rifle I wouldn't care it dropping out in the field should I slip and fall. Lever was decent with their phone service, but I was concerned when they UPS'ed it for $35 and the UPS fellow gave it to my neighbour, no signature required or adult required
To my door just east of Toronto grand total was $142. I've bought a lot worse for more money. I suggest they would make a great present under the tree for a new shooter.
MauserMike
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- SW Ontario
BTW, the trick to getting the bolt apart is to rotate the handle to the cocked position after you have it out of the rifle.
The point on the striker that engages the safety notch was lopsided and too pointy. A bit of filing and sanding and it is better. I also made the notch on the safety less deep and smoothed the sharp corners. Result = much nicer safety. Still quite stiff and drop safe. I've read that the BRNO #1 rifle its a copy of also has a stiff safety.
The other thing I did was to polish the underside of the striker where the sear was dragging. The machining is really quite rough and by doing this the bolt cycles like glass now. See HERE for more info.
The point on the striker that engages the safety notch was lopsided and too pointy. A bit of filing and sanding and it is better. I also made the notch on the safety less deep and smoothed the sharp corners. Result = much nicer safety. Still quite stiff and drop safe. I've read that the BRNO #1 rifle its a copy of also has a stiff safety.
The other thing I did was to polish the underside of the striker where the sear was dragging. The machining is really quite rough and by doing this the bolt cycles like glass now. See HERE for more info.
Mine is shooting about 4.5" below sight line at 25 yds with the sight set to 25. I tried shimming the tang end of the receiver so that the barrel sat at the bottom of the barrel channel. I was thinking that the barrel bands might be putting downward pressure on the barrel. The shimming did not alter the point of impact.
So now I'll check the barrel by rotating it in V-blocks with a dial indicator near the muzzle end of the barrel to see if the barrel could be bent at the point where the diameter changes. I doubt that it will be but I want to check it out before I start filing down the front sight blade.
How are your sights working relative to the number settings on the rear sight?
So now I'll check the barrel by rotating it in V-blocks with a dial indicator near the muzzle end of the barrel to see if the barrel could be bent at the point where the diameter changes. I doubt that it will be but I want to check it out before I start filing down the front sight blade.
How are your sights working relative to the number settings on the rear sight?
I got mine last week. Took a while to strip her down and cleaner her up. Lots of little things to fiddle with, polish the bolt, knock off some of the sharp edges and polish the bolt rail and extractor. Nice little rifle for $100. Anxious to see how to shoots. Theres a thread in the CZ folder at Rimfire Central that shows how the CZ bolt breaks down which, of course, is identical to the Norc. The wood was rather nice considering its a Norc. and once you do a little polishing she's works quite well.
Best $100 bucks I've spent in a while.
Best $100 bucks I've spent in a while.
Accuracy?
The only accuracy reports so far have been:
"I have a JW-15 Norinco .22 that has seen more than 5,000 rounds. It is more accurate than ever."
and
"It was pretty accurate but was limited by the sight set up"
I'm pretty much only looking for it to hit pop cans at 50. Can anyone tell me that they'll likely do that?
The only accuracy reports so far have been:
"I have a JW-15 Norinco .22 that has seen more than 5,000 rounds. It is more accurate than ever."
and
"It was pretty accurate but was limited by the sight set up"
I'm pretty much only looking for it to hit pop cans at 50. Can anyone tell me that they'll likely do that?
I received my 2 rifles today Wednesday ,I ordered on friday and mailed money order .Hats of to Lever Arms.I'm very happy and soaking them now and to bubba one will post pictures later on.Will the norinco bolt in a BRNO no.1 stock???
My first JW-15 really liked subsonic (target) ammunition.
50 metre groups of .75 inches on a very calm day were possible. It suffered from a wandering POI between days at the range. Glass bedding solved that and it will now shoot Remington Thunderbolt and T22s under an inch consistantly (no flyers) at 50 metres. I this was one of the first JW-15s imported into Canada. It had some significant bedding issues.
The first JW-25A I purchased some five years ago also likes subsonic ammo. It does NOT like standard velocity cheap ammo with 25 metre groups of two inches with federal bulk pack. I have since tried it with Federal Champion target and I.V.I. target (old from the bottom of my ammo locker) and it will shoot quality ammo about an inch group at 25 meters with no flyers.
I had also discovered the lot of Federal Bulk pack wouldn't shoot a consistant group out of any gun - I suspect this was due to federal having some issues in measuring the primming compound in that particular lot.
I regard the Norinco .22 rimfires as a basic gun with a great deal of potentual.
You can buy one, and if it has issues, you can tinker with it and make it shoot better with a bit of time and not too much money.
I have bought several used Norinco .22 rimfires that needed just a little TLC, cleaning, and sometimes a bit of relieving pressure points on the barrel or a daub of bedding in the action. It took very little to tighten up groups and turn them into consistant shooters.
I have bought a couple in winter from guys at the range who gave up on them in disgust. You would be amazed at how many folks DO NOT clean the cosmoline out of the firing pin then expect the gun to fire at minus ten C or colder.
To bubba a Norinco knock off.
That is a new one.
What do you intend to do?
Shorten the stock and make it into a sporter?
Tell us more, please?
And I will dig out a BRNO #1 and see if one of these actions bolt into the stock.
I also wonder if the threads are the same on the barrel as the BRNO #1.
I have a #1 with a corroded chamber that I was going to fix with a barrel liner. A new barrel for $125.00 is a steal for this - if it fits.
BTW: When Swedish Mausers were plentyful (and $69.95 from Century in Montreal) I got the notiion to bubba one with a lowbolt and drilled and tapped for both receiver sight and scope mounts. The bolt, drill and tap, and mounts cost over $125.00.
The gun is now worth about 3/4 of what the same gun un bubba'd sells for now. And it doesn't look nearly as nice as it used to.
I've always regretted that weak moment when the bubba urge took over.
I friend and myself are doing to of them for a winter project just for the fun of it.He is just finishing up a birds-eye maple stock on his brno,I'll post pictures in a day or so.New stocks,cut the sights of and maybe a little bit more? It should be fun
I will buy the rear sight if you wish to get rid of it at the time.
I believe these are soldered on as well...
I have found that Norinco .22 rimfire rifles are incredible value for the money spent and the accuracy you can get out of them.
These guns will do that out of the box. The real challenge is to get them to shoot just as well or better than the rich boys "rub your nose in it" fancy guns.
