GPST Gets the Boot
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make things better by laying a heavy hand and kicking out the other clubs/organizations which are trying to survive?
I find it funny how for years the firearms community has been trying to protect thier clubs from being closed by the CFO and the general public.. Now we even have to protect ourselves from the "business men" within our own community as well..
The heavy handed tactics seem a bit much.. "Merry X-mas.. your out in 45 days, no ifs ands or buts".
Ho Ho Hoe.. TSE..
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- Blue-GTA, ON
The whole situation doesn't make sense to me but it is what it is. All clubs renting space from Target Sports are out, no reasons given, no room for negotiation.
And when you do this and don't give anyone any reasons for why of course people are going to make educated guesses based on the information they have.
All I know is that it sucks royally because it was a very convienient location to go on a Wed. night to shoot a good sport with some good people.
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So are you saying that TSE lets criminals and gang bangers shoot at the range to sharpen their skills???? I don't think so......Besides would you rather them in your neighborhood taking target lessons or would you rather them shooting in a safe environment at the range ....
Come on.....TSE has been in business for years and they yet to close their doors for what you THINK will happen..If you wanna keep shootin yourself pay for the membership! With a membership comes great rewards
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Change is always hard. I am sure that the GPST will find a replacement range. I think there are 2 places in the works. I love the weekly matches and the steal this club has is just great. I will support the GPST were ever they go. I am looking forward to the "Hang Over" match. It is going to be great.
I'll let JR respond in detail since he conducted the negotiations, however as pointed out there are three sides to every story and the truth is in there somewhere.
To survive a range needs to operate at a profit. It needs to make money to pay for renovations, operating expenses and unforseen circumstances. Expecting to pay nothing for something is silly.
There will be many changes coming to Target Sports, and unfortunately it will take some time to see them happen. In the end, the facility will be better, membership will offer more, and the majority of users will be happier. It is an unfortunate fact of life that you cannot please everyone. If you have constructive criticisms I am sure Target Sports will welcome them. If you want to complain that you can no longer receive something for nothing, I don't think it will be seen as constructive.
To survive a range needs to operate at a profit. It needs to make money to pay for renovations, operating expenses and unforseen circumstances. Expecting to pay nothing for something is silly.
There will be many changes coming to Target Sports, and unfortunately it will take some time to see them happen. In the end, the facility will be better, membership will offer more, and the majority of users will be happier. It is an unfortunate fact of life that you cannot please everyone. If you have constructive criticisms I am sure Target Sports will welcome them. If you want to complain that you can no longer receive something for nothing, I don't think it will be seen as constructive.
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- Blue-GTA, ON
Actually GPST was renting the range.......somehwere in the nieghborhood of $500 a month for every Wed. night of the month. 4:30-10:00 or 11:00.
Thanks Slavex.
I have a feeling that the "owner" of TS has NOT told the "owners" of TSE "everything" that they should. But that's not the problem for anyone on this board but the "owners" of TSE.
It will be interesting to see what the "changes" will be as far as the facility goes. Will they:
a) put in a new ventilation system on the range so that shooters will be able to go out on the range without respirators?
;b) repair all the target returns on "A" side
c) replace the baffles that are shot through;
d) replace the rifle backstop that is in horrible shape (built almost 9 years ago)?;
e) start advertising to the public to come and "try out" shooting for $35 per day, $40 box of ammo and one free target?
;f) hire full-time R.O.'s and other staff to take shooters out to the range?
Maybe they will convince Chris Wyatt and the crew at the CFO that they should relax and allow TS to do business the way they do out West in Calgary. That would be a great reversal and highly unlikely but I think we should all praise the "new consultants" for their interest ($$$) and investment ($$$) in the range and the market that USSR once controlled.
Good luck boys ...........
Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Oshawa, Ontario
Thanks Slavex.
I have a feeling that the "owner" of TS has NOT told the "owners" of TSE "everything" that they should. But that's not the problem for anyone on this board but the "owners" of TSE.
It will be interesting to see what the "changes" will be as far as the facility goes. Will they:
a) put in a new ventilation system on the range so that shooters will be able to go out on the range without respirators?
b) repair all the target returns on "A" side
c) replace the baffles that are shot through;
d) replace the rifle backstop that is in horrible shape (built almost 9 years ago)?;
e) start advertising to the public to come and "try out" shooting for $35 per day, $40 box of ammo and one free target?
f) hire full-time R.O.'s and other staff to take shooters out to the range?
Maybe they will convince Chris Wyatt and the crew at the CFO that they should relax and allow TS to do business the way they do out West in Calgary. That would be a great reversal and highly unlikely but I think we should all praise the "new consultants" for their interest ($$$) and investment ($$$) in the range and the market that USSR once controlled.
Good luck boys ...........
The above would certainly be nice, but I think that they are going to have a hard time trying to do here what they do in Calgary. Our CFO is run by the Liberals, and it does not appear that they are willing to budge on anything, their way or no way. Ontario is much different then Alberta, as was said before, I sure hope JR is being told everything he needs to and there are no major surprises. Having the reputation that TSE already has and being in Calgary sure would make for a nice location here in Ontario, I sure hope it all works out.
Hey, This is great! Normally I start my post somewhat to the effect of 'Although we are new in the sport'. Not this time. My first question is how many of the TSE bashers out there are independent business owners? Next question is how many of you have viewed the financial statements of Gormley previous to the sale of the range? Thirdly, do you really think that if the range was a hugely profitable cash cow it would actually have gone up for sale? So let me quickly summarize, TSE are a bunch of no mind morons that have no business sense at all, plus they must have bought the club for about $500.00 because really if they paid real money for it they might have to know something about the place??? YA THINK. I may be new to IPSC but I am not new to business. The negative posts on this thread make me sick! I feel worst for the TSE folks for the bashing they are getting.To echo Rob(hope your looking after Dan) I think TSE deserves a chance to show what they can do, and if you Naysayers think $500.00 a month is a big deal I will send you my hydro bill! One last point, my son and i shot our third match at GPST, the hangover '05. We where welcomed with open arms and treated like one of the family and made a lot of new freinds. Economics my freinds, the folks at TSE are not idiots. Just one insignificant mans opinion, sorry to be so long winded but finally a topic I know something about. Last point, I am not on this site every day but I have no problem going head to head with anyone on this topic, this from someone who does not like to ruffle feathers!
well being that the CFO in Ontario is actually making up laws and rules that have no legal standing, maybe TSE/TS will challenge them on some of their "interpretations" and win.
I know the guys from TSE, and have known them from before they even opened shop, they are good guys, and while they are business men (and want to make money), they are very very Pro Everything That Has To Do With Shooting. I think this is a positive.
I know the guys from TSE, and have known them from before they even opened shop, they are good guys, and while they are business men (and want to make money), they are very very Pro Everything That Has To Do With Shooting. I think this is a positive.
Yeah, gotta say: money talks, and bull#### walks.
$500 for 4 Wednesdays is $125 per night. If 10 people show up, then Target Sports is selling daycards for $12.50. That won't keep a range operating.
AND... no-one else can use the range that whole night.
Add in a night a week for the rimfire rifle guys, a night for PPC, a night for the {edited by Slavex, come on Dan lets not insult the ###s), and next thing you know, you've got 4 nights a week that bring in $125 each. And the doors close.
Call it $50 a daycard for a walk-in, and you can have 10 of them shooting simultaneously.... and turnover is about an hour... open for 4 hours every night... $2000 per night. Screw $125. I want $2000. Don't you?
Guess what? You want to shoot IPSC, go make it happen, don't ##### whne someone else isn't as interested in your deal as they are in their own deal.
Jeesh.
$500 for 4 Wednesdays is $125 per night. If 10 people show up, then Target Sports is selling daycards for $12.50. That won't keep a range operating.
AND... no-one else can use the range that whole night.
Add in a night a week for the rimfire rifle guys, a night for PPC, a night for the {edited by Slavex, come on Dan lets not insult the ###s), and next thing you know, you've got 4 nights a week that bring in $125 each. And the doors close.
Call it $50 a daycard for a walk-in, and you can have 10 of them shooting simultaneously.... and turnover is about an hour... open for 4 hours every night... $2000 per night. Screw $125. I want $2000. Don't you?
Guess what? You want to shoot IPSC, go make it happen, don't ##### whne someone else isn't as interested in your deal as they are in their own deal.
Jeesh.
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Don't you know how many CGN-ers have their MBA..?
Our forum is also chock full of Finance Ministers, Political Scientists, Lawyers, Psychiatrists, International Trade experts and Historians... There's also one guy who runs an ice cream stand up in Nunavut, but he doesn't post to often.
Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Oshawa, Ontario
As much as we hate to admit it, they have complete leagl standing Slavex. It is sucks, and it is not right, but that is the way it is and it is not going to get any better here unless we can vote the good for nothing Liberals out. I hope JR and TS can do what they want, but I can tell you now as many fellow Ontario shooters can, no way will we get what they have in Alberta, not going to happen.
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