Cull Buck Down

I'm not defending the OP, I'm saying that running down 'the fat kid' (Umchorn) in the school yard, just cuz he's the stupid fat kid and you've got a group behind you all laughing at said fat kid, does not make it right.

This thread and the other thread, game management or whatever it was, both of them shoulda been deleted by a mod long ago.

Burn the damn things and lets' get onto actual hunting topics!
 
Demonical said:
I'm not defending the OP, I'm saying that running down 'the fat kid' (Umchorn) in the school yard, just cuz he's the stupid fat kid and you've got a group behind you all laughing at said fat kid, does not make it right.

This thread and the other thread, game management or whatever it was, both of them shoulda been deleted by a mod long ago.

Burn the damn things and lets' get onto actual hunting topics!
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Nobody is forcing you to follow the thread.....just saying.
 
the spank said:
Nobody is forcing you to follow the thread.....just saying.
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Aha! I was wondering if somebody would figure that out.

If you see dog#### on the sidewalk, do you reach down and pick it up (long as it's not from your pooch of course)?

No! You walk on by. Which is what should have happened with these 2 stupid threads. If nobody bothers to respond, to 'bump to the top' as it were, these damn threads would have sunk to the bottom of the forum and drifted into obscurity.

So if Umchorn is a troll as some suggest, then he's damn good at getting the 'fish' to bite.
 
Demonical said:
Aha! I was wondering if somebody would figure that out.

If you see dog#### on the sidewalk, do you reach down and pick it up (long as it's not from your pooch of course)?

No! You walk on by. Which is what should have happened with these 2 stupid threads. If nobody bothers to respond, to 'bump to the top' as it were, these damn threads would have sunk to the bottom of the forum and drifted into obscurity.

So if Umchorn is a troll as some suggest, then he's damn good at getting the 'fish' to bite.
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You've bumped this thread three times in less than 24 hours... and now I have.
 
canadian hunter312 said:
Uninformed folks might come on this forum and read the incorrect trash he posts so it's important to call out such nonsense so misinformation isn't spread. Then there's the fact that over years he has resorted to name calling and belittling people who simply disagree with him.


He is getting exactly the attention he deserves and seeing his name in pink would be rather satisfying.
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I certainly agree that nobody can do any wildlife management of any sort in this scenario.

But what sort of harm might actually befall an uninformed person if they read this thread and thought that umchorn actually "culled" a deer from his property in the interest of game management? :)
 
Demonical said:
This thread and the other thread, game management or whatever it was, both of them shoulda been deleted by a mod long ago.
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Umchorn could have deleted those threads at any time himself. I mean any schoolyard fat kid that could instantly end being tormented would do so right? Unless they were a troll.
 
I would bet he may have breed other does.... might have to cull the female herd before spring birthing .... can you post pictures of your studs on you property ... that would be good to see for a comparison ..
 
Crowca3 said:
I would bet he may have breed other does.... might have to cull the female herd before spring birthing .... can you post pictures of your studs on you property ... that would be good to see for a comparison ..
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To address your first point about culling does…Given the fact that my area has a relatively low density of deer, as do many areas in Saskatchewan and Canada in general, I feel we need all the fawn production we can get. Considering most guys shoot the first deer they get the chance to, it goes without saying the more deer we have, the better chance the animals have of surviving considering all the pressures they have. The least a hunter can do is opt not to kill a doe if they want to at some point shoot a decent buck. There’s an old saying amongst experienced hunters…If you want to shoot a booner, then you’d better let the 150’s go. But ultimately we realize that someone else could shoot that 150” thinking it’s a deer of a lifetime.

The deer pictured above came in early season. The deer featured below him is the dominant deer on the property. When he showed up the other 5X4 disappeared. My initial intention was to shoot either of these deer. But I decided the best plan would be to let him go and see if he comes back next year. Hopefully he will be at his peak. I realize that as a 5X4 he might be a management buck by some standards but at his age it will be interesting to see what he looks like next year. And I look forward to finding his shed antlers. I estimate his score in the mid 150 inch range. If he throws another tine on the one side he will be a great buck. And he's already a handsome deer.

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I was saying you have to kill the does because your inferior cull deer may have impregnated a few ... you would not want his genes in your area ...
 
I was expecting a gazillion pictures of 180"+ deer by the way you describe your awesome property and exceptional management practices.

How long until we start seeing those pictures?
 
"Cull buck" and "meat buck" are terms used by those who can't kill big deer to make themselves feel better about settling for less.

Do you also use terms like "this is my ugly wife, she's not as good as the trophy wife I was going for, but someone had to jump on that grenade"?
 
What about bears? I've got a herd of bears on my property up north. Are they 'mine?' I shuffle them around a bit when I'm up there. My dog chases them away so I guess we're managing them.
 
Demonical said:
I'm not defending the OP, I'm saying that running down 'the fat kid' (Umchorn) in the school yard, just cuz he's the stupid fat kid and you've got a group behind you all laughing at said fat kid, does not make it right.

This thread and the other thread, game management or whatever it was, both of them shoulda been deleted by a mod long ago.

Burn the damn things and lets' get onto actual hunting topics!
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I can't disagree with any of your comments...but this particular fat kid works so hard at being a sanctimonious self-righteous know-it-all, and has honed the art of mock modesty to such a razor edge, that he is a unique case. He gets this treatment every time he posts, because all his posts are the same type of condescending crap and that paints a target on them. Remember "sunray"? Umchorn is the sunray of hunting.

Since he has apparently deleted all his best stuff from the past, it might appear as though he is being poorly treated. But if you are a fan of his classic works on pen-raised grizzly bears or high-fenced game preserves, which should be required reading for aspiring land-baron/game-managers...or if you remember his attempts at conning others into paying for the fence he intended to build around his few acres, to keep the herds of animals in and the non-paying riffraff out...you would not be leaping to his defence like this. He was and likely still is a huge proponent of paid hunting, which I suspect you (to your credit!) are not.

He is nothing if not resilient; I'm sure he will be back, simultaneously educating/boasting/insulting/condescending to the rest of us. He still pops up occasionally on the EE, attempting to sell shed antlers and rodent-chewed moose clavicles to unsuspecting newbies who probably believe at least some of his crap.

Like the spank said, nobody is forcing you to follow along here...but think what you would be missing if you don't! :)
 
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scruffee said:
"Cull buck" and "meat buck" are terms used by those who can't kill big deer to make themselves feel better about settling for less.

Do you also use terms like "this is my ugly wife, she's not as good as the trophy wife I was going for, but someone had to jump on that grenade"?
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For the most part, I suspect you are right... but not always. I regularly pass up larger animals, sometimes serious trophies, to take smaller (potentially better table fare) animals. I have done this with deer, bear and moose. Often my target animal has been a moose calf or a 8-point 2 year old buck. In our late season, I passed up a nice 10-point and huge 12-point buck and shot a 6-point, because my wife wanted me to pad the larder for the winter.
 
hoytcanon said:
For the most part, I suspect you are right... but not always. I regularly pass up larger animals, sometimes serious trophies, to take smaller (potentially better table fare) animals. I have done this with deer, bear and moose. Often my target animal has been a moose calf or a 8-point 2 year old buck. In our late season, I passed up a nice 10-point and huge 12-point buck and shot a 6-point, because my wife wanted me to pad the larder for the winter.
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Okay, here's the difference:

Hoyt, you responded to a post regarding the shooting of meat animals with your own personal opinion and experience. Shooting a meat buck for you was simply an enjoyable way of providing yourself with superior food. You didn't start a thread about your last meat hunt, explain how you were managing the local deer population or post pics of the kill, although you could have. You didn't do a WildTV-style recap of the rifle model, ammo brand, optics maker and underwear manufacturer that contributed to the hunt. You don't sound as though you want to have your own TV hunting show.

Probably most telling is the fact that you didn't feel the need to make excuses for shooting a representative animal, or explain your rationale for passing on a giant trophy that you could have shot.

Umchorn, on the other hand...well...
 
scruffee said:
"Cull buck" and "meat buck" are terms used by those who can't kill big deer to make themselves feel better about settling for less.

Do you also use terms like "this is my ugly wife, she's not as good as the trophy wife I was going for, but someone had to jump on that grenade"?
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Conversely; guys whom will only have Trophy Wives come across as a bit obsequious. Perhaps they don't see substance over style... "she ain't good for any more than a regular one... but look at what a successful manly man I am!"
I often wonder what percentage of Trophy animals are shot from a stand... call me a simple Prairie Boy... but sitting in a tree like a big, stupid Ruffy waiting for the perfect specimen to come by? No thanks...when I am too old and out of shape...perhaps.
I'd rather end the season tired from walking, with a nice S & C buck wrapped in brown paper... than a trophy that comes from me sitting in a tree. Just have no time to practice those 'Skills'... not likely to find time to sit in a tree to practice either.
Safe Hunting guys.
 
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