Cull Buck Down

cycbb486 said:
Wow, amazing how someone can get slagged for there choice or reason for taking the said animal.

We are individuals and we make choices as to what animal we may or may not take.

I personally grew up eating so much venison that I am basically done with it. I have basically stopped hunting due to the unruly so called arm chair hunters that come from the city.

If I do go again there is only one animal I will take, he better have a big rack. It is not about I paid for my tag I shoots the deer. I would rather shoot a doe versus a young buck. That is my choice.

So cut the guy some slack.

JMO
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He is getting slagged because he is a douche, not because of the deer he took... there is lots of history on CGN with this guy.
 
This post has nothing to do with anything other than what it is…learning about what makes a deer a management buck. Like it or not, it’s the same principle that outfitters use. Know of any outfitters? Ever used one? Ok then shut up and thank me for my time and post. Your welcome.
 
umchorn2 said:
This post has nothing to do with anything other than what it is…learning about what makes a deer a management buck. Like it or not, it’s the same principle that outfitters use. Know of any outfitters? Ever used one? Ok then shut up and thank me for my time and post. Your welcome.
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One of the funniest posts I've read on this site. It's "you're" not "your" by the way. Thank you for your service!Laugh2
 
Unchorn, please do not private message me. Make your messages public so everyone can have a laugh. I deleted the message without opening it fyi.

This guy is awesome. I cant wait to see all the huge bucks his management practices produce...
 
Why are you all upset.... this is another do as I do ..... my way is the best way of hunting .... he shot a deer big ####in deal .....
 
canadian hunter312 said:
Unchorn, please do not private message me. Make your messages public so everyone can have a laugh. I deleted the message without opening it fyi.

This guy is awesome. I cant wait to see all the huge bucks his management practices produce...
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As little as I'd like to see him post here again, I cannot claim that I will not laugh till it hurts, when he comes on here to snivel about his neighbors shooting the decent bucks from 'his herd'.

Until he gets a fence up, and stocks the place with eartagged deer, he is neither managing, nor culling any of the herd of wild deer in his area.
 
Could you please pass on a recipe for the antlers. Does having extra "mass" make them more tender?

I heard that a marinade of one cup of soya sauce, a cup of brown sugar and three tablespoons of Dijon mustad is good.

Do you use a crock pot or a pressure cooker?
 
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Rugdoc said:
Could you please pass on a recipe for the antlers. Does having extra "mass" make them more tender?

Do you use a crock pot or a pressure cooker?
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Well for starters you’re right about not being able to cook antlers. But you’re dogs can chew them. And they’re very healthy, high in calcium. Cabelas sells a little piece for about $20-$40 + tax. So for starters, that little cull buck rack is worth about $200 or more as dog chews. Or if you knew how to make something you could use it as handle material for your knife.

Second, a mature male deer has about twice the meat as a doe if not more and 3 times as much as a fawn or yearling. If you knew how to cook you would not notice a difference in taste between a young deer or a mature buck.

So next time you hear a guy complain that he can’t eat antlers just tell him that’s true but I’ve got twice the meat you do. And shooting does and fawns is just poor management anyways. Poor hunter ethics. They even teach that is better to take a buck than a doe or fawn.
 
Oh, just get a big capital letter "L" tattooed on yer forehead and be done with it.

They are not "your herd", until you buy them all and have them ear tagged. And you can legally keep them inside a fence.

Taking pictures of them is not a thing like "Managing" them. Though by attracting them to your bait piles, you might just be helping them to spread communicable diseases all that much faster.

Eighty acres of Downtown Toronto, isn't a joke, but proclaiming all you have, for your 80 acres, is. Get all warm and fuzzy about providing a home for a wolf, when you own the 15000 acres next door. But still, don't get all teary eyed if the wolf gets shot by a neighbor. The wolf doesn't care about your property lines.

And your "Cull" did, well, essentially nothing, as far as the general population around you is concerned, as it did not a thing to remove any potentially bad genes from there, it certainly did not prevent other immature bucks from being able to breed, and it didn't take any of the perpetually dry does off the playing field either. You do not actually have the ability to "Cull" the deer in your area, as you cannot, at any time, or for any reason you see fit, destroy or ship to slaughter, any of the deer that you think do not meet the criteria you have set, are injured beyond recovery, or are underperforming.

I keep a "Cull" list of my flock of sheep. Bad Birthers, Bad Mothers, poor condition in good feed conditions, and a few other criteria, get them shipped to the auction, where they go for dog food or ethnic meals. That, is a cull. Removal for a good and obvious reason. Not limited by the number of deer tags one can get, either.

Despite your grandiose assertions, what you ended up doing, is shooting a random young buck, for no apparent good reason, and used up your tag on that, instead of on a buck with some meat on him. Or a dry doe that would have given you more meals.
 
Is this whole thread based on the flawed theory that "good" or "prime" bucks with large antlers are going to sire fawns with their "good" genes to make more big bucks?
 
Rugdoc said:
Is this whole thread based on the flawed theory that "good" or "prime" bucks with large antlers are going to sire fawns with their "good" genes to make more big bucks?
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Pretty much.

That, and the theory that one person owning a wee chunk of unfenced off land, can in some way manipulate those animals into only producing potential Trophy Class bucks, so as to attract the big spenders to the 'cash for horns' operation that the OP wishes he could run.
 
Rugdoc said:
Is this whole thread based on the flawed theory that "good" or "prime" bucks with large antlers are going to sire fawns with their "good" genes to make more big bucks?
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I think his goal here is to raise magical trophy bucks which will remain on his miniscule chunk of land while they produce huge amounts of meat that's as tasty and tender as a yearling buck.

Sounds crazy, but if you listen and learn how to cook and manage herds like unchorn it can become reality for anyone!

I am betting that deer pictured above is either roadkill, killed by his family or simply taken from the net.
 
umchorn2 said:
Well for starters you’re right about not being able to cook antlers. But you’re dogs can chew them. And they’re very healthy, high in calcium. Cabelas sells a little piece for about $20-$40 + tax. So for starters, that little cull buck rack is worth about $200 or more as dog chews. Or if you knew how to make something you could use it as handle material for your knife.

Second, a mature male deer has about twice the meat as a doe if not more and 3 times as much as a fawn or yearling. If you knew how to cook you would not notice a difference in taste between a young deer or a mature buck.

So next time you hear a guy complain that he can’t eat antlers just tell him that’s true but I’ve got twice the meat you do. And shooting does and fawns is just poor management anyways. Poor hunter ethics. They even teach that is better to take a buck than a doe or fawn.
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Bullsh1t!!!

A doe to buck ratio as close to 1:1 as possible gives bucks the best opportunity to grow to trophy size. In my area the mule deer ratio is closer to 25:1. Those bucks that survive the rut and the ensuing winter rarely grow large racks as it takes most of the following summer for them to physically recover.

You’re comment on ethics is just laughable.
 
trevj said:
Oh, just get a big capital letter "L" tattooed on yer forehead and be done with it.

They are not "your herd", until you buy them all and have them ear tagged. And you can legally keep them inside a fence.

Taking pictures of them is not a thing like "Managing" them. Though by attracting them to your bait piles, you might just be helping them to spread communicable diseases all that much faster.

Eighty acres of Downtown Toronto, isn't a joke, but proclaiming all you have, for your 80 acres, is. Get all warm and fuzzy about providing a home for a wolf, when you own the 15000 acres next door. But still, don't get all teary eyed if the wolf gets shot by a neighbor. The wolf doesn't care about your property lines.

And your "Cull" did, well, essentially nothing, as far as the general population around you is concerned, as it did not a thing to remove any potentially bad genes from there, it certainly did not prevent other immature bucks from being able to breed, and it didn't take any of the perpetually dry does off the playing field either. You do not actually have the ability to "Cull" the deer in your area, as you cannot, at any time, or for any reason you see fit, destroy or ship to slaughter, any of the deer that you think do not meet the criteria you have set, are injured beyond recovery, or are underperforming.

I keep a "Cull" list of my flock of sheep. Bad Birthers, Bad Mothers, poor condition in good feed conditions, and a few other criteria, get them shipped to the auction, where they go for dog food or ethnic meals. That, is a cull. Removal for a good and obvious reason. Not limited by the number of deer tags one can get, either.

Despite your grandiose assertions, what you ended up doing, is shooting a random young buck, for no apparent good reason, and used up your tag on that, instead of on a buck with some meat on him. Or a dry doe that would have given you more meals.
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Well said and bang on!!
 
coyoteking said:
Bullsh1t!!!

A doe to buck ratio as close to 1:1 as possible gives bucks the best opportunity to grow to trophy size. In my area the mule deer ratio is closer to 25:1. Those bucks that survive the rut and the ensuing winter rarely grow large racks as it takes most of the following summer for them to physically recover.

You’re comment on ethics is just laughable.
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Agreed! We have the same ratio's here on Mulies and because of it they issued two tags per draw for the price of one as well as on top of our general over the counter either ### whitetail tag our area has supplemental antlerless tags for whitetail available this year and again, two for the price of one like the Mulie draw tags...two tags for $19! We are overrun with a doe to buck ratio and even with the extra available tags and the 100% chance of being drawn few are even applying to the draw. In WMZ 236 there was 247 antlerless Mule deer tags available and after the draw there was still 245 available in the undersubscribed quota!! My wife and I were the only two who entered the draw for that WMZ and when we went to purchase our tags found out they were giving out two with every draw! We sure don't need 4 extra deer and after we put a whitetail buck and one antlerless Mulie in the freezer we called it a season...
 
the spank said:
Agreed! We have the same ratio's here on Mulies and because of it they issued two tags per draw for the price of one as well as on top of our general over the counter either ### whitetail tag our area has supplemental antlerless tags for whitetail available this year and again, two for the price of one like the Mulie draw tags...two tags for $19! We are overrun with a doe to buck ratio and even with the extra available tags and the 100% chance of being drawn few are even applying to the draw. In WMZ 236 there was 247 antlerless Mule deer tags available and after the draw there was still 245 available in the undersubscribed quota!! My wife and I were the only two who entered the draw for that WMZ and when we went to purchase our tags found out they were giving out two with every draw! We sure don't need 4 extra deer and after we put a whitetail buck and one antlerless Mulie in the freezer we called it a season...
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We’ve got the same deal here. My son and I have 7 tags this year and the option to buy 2 more for certain zones. I’ve got a half section that is home to at least 50 mule deer and a few whitetail. It’s like that everywhere down here. With the increased spread of CWD and farmers putting pressure on the government to reduce the numbers, it’s going to come down to either hunters killing does or the government killing them.
 
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