Cull Buck Down

"Cull buck" and "meat buck" are terms used by those who can't kill big deer to make themselves feel better about settling for less.

Do you also use terms like "this is my ugly wife, she's not as good as the trophy wife I was going for, but someone had to jump on that grenade"?

What is so important about "big" deer?

Do you mean large antlers? You can't eat those.

If people are satisfied with a medium sized deer or even a spike buck if that's all they want, what's wrong with that?
 
What is so important about "big" deer?

Do you mean large antlers? You can't eat those.

If people are satisfied with a medium sized deer or even a spike buck if that's all they want, what's wrong with that?

Don't be a hate'r... some folks strive for more... mileage may vary...
Thin Souper's I call them.
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Okay, here's the difference:

Hoyt, you responded to a post regarding the shooting of meat animals with your own personal opinion and experience. Shooting a meat buck for you was simply an enjoyable way of providing yourself with superior food. You didn't start a thread about your last meat hunt, explain how you were managing the local deer population or post pics of the kill, although you could have. You didn't do a WildTV-style recap of the rifle model, ammo brand, optics maker and underwear manufacturer that contributed to the hunt. You don't sound as though you want to have your own TV hunting show.

Probably most telling is the fact that you didn't feel the need to make excuses for shooting a representative animal, or explain your rationale for passing on a giant trophy that you could have shot.

Umchorn, on the other hand...well...

Don't get me wrong, I did not make that post in defense of Umchorn2, he is a dufous... but I am closing in on 5 decades of hunting and have been fortunate to take many animals that most would consider exceptional specimens, I am kind of over it... don't get me wrong, I love scouting and putting myself in position to SEE exceptional animals, but these days I am disinclined to shoot them myself. I hunt for the enjoyment of being in the field and spend the bulk of my time putting other people in position to take their "exceptional" animals, however they choose to define it.
 
...I often wonder what percentage of Trophy animals are shot from a stand... call me a simple Prairie Boy... but sitting in a tree like a big, stupid Ruffy waiting for the perfect specimen to come by? No thanks...when I am too old and out of shape...perhaps.
I'd rather end the season tired from walking, with a nice S & C buck wrapped in brown paper... than a trophy that comes from me sitting in a tree...

Not my idea of perfection either, and if I travel to hunt I like to cover ground as well...but at home, when you have a couple or three non-continuous parcels of 100 or so acres each to hunt, you do what you must. My own land is a long and narrow piece with a couple of good spots on it, so I start closer to the house and only move to the further spots as the season progresses, so as not to stink up the whole parcel. Not all of us have the luxury of endless miles of land to hunt.
 
Conversely; guys whom will only have Trophy Wives come across as a bit obsequious. Perhaps they don't see substance over style... "she ain't good for any more than a regular one... but look at what a successful manly man I am!"
I often wonder what percentage of Trophy animals are shot from a stand... call me a simple Prairie Boy... but sitting in a tree like a big, stupid Ruffy waiting for the perfect specimen to come by? No thanks...when I am too old and out of shape...perhaps.
I'd rather end the season tired from walking, with a nice S & C buck wrapped in brown paper... than a trophy that comes from me sitting in a tree. Just have no time to practice those 'Skills'... not likely to find time to sit in a tree to practice either.
Safe Hunting guys.

That’s why I love hunting mule deer, you have to put on the miles and glass a lot of country to find the big buck, whether with bow or rifle.
 
I notice that we are getting better at seeing weaknesses - and it may be because we know the territory well - I can spot a little fakery because I've stood in the same spot and worn the same camo. When I toss a rock at someone else hiding in the bushes, it exposes my former hiding place. As I get better at exposing dishonesty, I have to up my own game as well - and find a better way to hide my motives. When I was young, my pride was more open - but now I hide it even from myself. Even as I type this, am I pretending to be smart - and throwing a lawn dart straight up?

I can snipe, but follow those words back, and it finds me hiding - hiding my motives and my self - even my attempts at honesty no longer hide me - and I'm feeling ants crawling up my gitch.

The hunter has been found.
 
Wow...I certainly don't want ants in my gitch...or vertically thrown lawn darts raining down on me...while unable to move, mired down in analogies piled waist-deep. :)

Sounds like a weird combination of Zen and fear; "Kung Fu Predator" maybe?
 
I notice that we are getting better at seeing weaknesses - and it may be because we know the territory well - I can spot a little fakery because I've stood in the same spot and worn the same camo. When I toss a rock at someone else hiding in the bushes, it exposes my former hiding place. As I get better at exposing dishonesty, I have to up my own game as well - and find a better way to hide my motives. When I was young, my pride was more open - but now I hide it even from myself. Even as I type this, am I pretending to be smart - and throwing a lawn dart straight up?

I can snipe, but follow those words back, and it finds me hiding - hiding my motives and my self - even my attempts at honesty no longer hide me - and I'm feeling ants crawling up my gitch.

The hunter has been found.

You are losing the Unwashed Masses with your posting... a bit hard to follow/ understand your train of thought?
 
I notice that we are getting better at seeing weaknesses - and it may be because we know the territory well - I can spot a little fakery because I've stood in the same spot and worn the same camo. When I toss a rock at someone else hiding in the bushes, it exposes my former hiding place. As I get better at exposing dishonesty, I have to up my own game as well - and find a better way to hide my motives. When I was young, my pride was more open - but now I hide it even from myself. Even as I type this, am I pretending to be smart - and throwing a lawn dart straight up?

I can snipe, but follow those words back, and it finds me hiding - hiding my motives and my self - even my attempts at honesty no longer hide me - and I'm feeling ants crawling up my gitch.

The hunter has been found.

Yikes... you got into the Christmas punch a little early... after an attempt to read this I expected the post to have been made between 2 and 3 am.
 
Aww - I was just noticing how quick we are to see the fakery in peoples posts - so many are "Facebooking" a phony persona - and if I snipe at them for their shallowness, it is likely showing what I am - shallow too - and that's why they bug me - kinda like hating to see my own faults reflected in my kids.

I am more bothered right now by a Yamaha 340 that bogs after high revving - it should be so simple, but after thrice cleaning the carb, new fuel pump and plugs, absolutely nothing has changed. Bother.
 
Aww - I was just noticing how quick we are to see the fakery in peoples posts - so many are "Facebooking" a phony persona - and if I snipe at them for their shallowness, it is likely showing what I am - shallow too - and that's why they bug me - kinda like hating to see my own faults reflected in my kids.

I am more bothered right now by a Yamaha 340 that bogs after high revving - it should be so simple, but after thrice cleaning the carb, new fuel pump and plugs, absolutely nothing has changed. Bother.

Check around the web to see if you can find a breakdown of how that particular carb works. I would suggest that the lower end jetting or the needle height, maybe both, need a closer look.

When I was getting into Brit Bikes, throttle chops and reading the plug, were a thing. If you properly read the residue left on the plug after a blast at wide open throttle, you stand a good chance of getting a handle on how the adjustments work.

We used to adjust the engines rich on the low end, and lean them out until they would not stumble coming up out of an extended idle. Then adjust the high end with a series of throttle chops, then fiddle the needle height to get the smoothest transition between the high and low systems.

It's very possible that it bogs as it is loading fuel into the crank at high revs and enriching out as you cut off the throttle.

If it ran well before cleaning it, take it apart and inspect everything. Reused parts can be...fun....
 
What is so important about "big" deer?

Do you mean large antlers? You can't eat those.

If people are satisfied with a medium sized deer or even a spike buck if that's all they want, what's wrong with that?

I think you're missing the point. This guys talks about managing "HIS" herd for big bucks and ends up shooting a perfectly fine deer but goes ahead and calls it a "cull buck" and making excuses. A buck's a buck, most people don't care about the size of someone else's buck, but this guy clearly cares enough to justify shooting something "smaller".
 
Check around the web to see if you can find a breakdown of how that particular carb works. I would suggest that the lower end jetting or the needle height, maybe both, need a closer look.

When I was getting into Brit Bikes, throttle chops and reading the plug, were a thing. If you properly read the residue left on the plug after a blast at wide open throttle, you stand a good chance of getting a handle on how the adjustments work.

We used to adjust the engines rich on the low end, and lean them out until they would not stumble coming up out of an extended idle. Then adjust the high end with a series of throttle chops, then fiddle the needle height to get the smoothest transition between the high and low systems.

It's very possible that it bogs as it is loading fuel into the crank at high revs and enriching out as you cut off the throttle.

If it ran well before cleaning it, take it apart and inspect everything. Reused parts can be...fun....


Good Morning! A neighbor-buddy brings over this beautiful little '89 340 Yamaha Ovation to fix the boggy throttle on - and I clean the carb and notice that the little float needle has a very long stroke to the little springed pin on the end - so I change to a solid float needle, and it runs nice and take it back to him - but after a while, I talk to him and it is bogging again. His daughter isn't into the sled, so I offer a rifle ( see - this is a hunting topic) in trade and bring it home. Now it has a real bog - we've now had the carb off and torn down completely quite a few times, but sometimes it feels like a spark issue - strange - pull a spark wire and stretch the spark and it may run better - at least at idle. It does idle, so (likely) isn't the crank seals. Choke it (really an enrichment circuit) and it may run better, or worse - puzzling. Occasionally, it makes a dieseling ping sound after revving - not nice. Compression is 120 120. Plugs usually wet... but not smelling of gas... you mention residue on the plugs... New plugs. New fuel pump and lines. Blew back into tank. Just pondering as I write here... I guess this thread won't suffer much from a diversion ... the garage was sure smoky after revving it... maybe too much oil? - the oil is injected into the gas line before the fuel pump ... too much oil would kill the spark, so partly pulling a plug boot off would make hotter spark - okay - that makes sense - and it also would explain the dieseling sound once it is hot - and when it is revved up, the oil mixture would get richer with oil and begin to bog when it comes back down to idle - sometimes it would even stall after revving... choking helped sometimes ... maybe superrich with gas is slightly more volatile so it overcomes the superoily gas but sometimes has too much oil to light up... Residue on the plugs - I think you are right - in this case, likely too rich with oil, not gas. I will set the oil supply adjustment way down and try that. Okay - I have hope again - this is such a perfect little sled - just over 3000 Kilometers and all factory - nothing has been touched and stored inside it looks like. Sorry (but not really) - to whoever's thread this is - I just started wandering in thought here.

What you said Trev about setting with throttle chops is a really old skill - like setting timing on car engines by quick revving before... what did we call them... ping sensors?

Thanks TrevJ!
 
Aaaand that was it! Turned the oil pump down to absolute minimum and it is still oiling fine - and after toasting the plugs ( use a propane torch to heat plug body up as hot as possible burns all the carbon out and makes them like new again) it runs like a top - towing another sled which ran out of gas, home again - and it was used to fetch a Christmas tree - and all is right in the world again. : )
 
Well - I notice that the deer are running around more - now that the season is over - but that's okay - son got one on opening day. We should get a bag of corn or beans so we can bring them up close to the house to watch in the winter - I can manage that.

When I towed his sled home when he ran out of gas this morning, it seems the 480? float stuck down ( empty bowl) so it flooded awful - used air to blow the chambers out multiple times and it finally lit up good - and the little 340 is running really nice.

Back on topic - I kinda like cutting just the horns off with a little skull - full skulls and heads and capes are okay for a cabin, but they have too much personality to keep in the house - just a druther.
 
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