Ontario Mandatory Reporting Penalty Decision

Having 90 or 95 % of the data is better than 0% of the data

As in every instance, you can make good decisions based on most of the information vs no information.

Would be how I would look at it.
 
brian27 said:
just another reason people will not buy tags I know guys who are deer hunting and bear hunting don't buy the tag until they shoot something. only reason they don't buy is they hate filling out the report.
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Just a douchey excuse. Takes about 3 minutes to do.

Guys ##### about a filling out a report at the end of the season, but have no problem buying licences and applying for tags online.
 
Mandatory penalization is what I have a problem with.

Just another money grab - we already pay for the PAL, hunting license and tag/s.

Let people chose if they want to do them and your information is going to be 1000% more accurate v.s ffs i got to do this crap so i don't have to pay a fee... i will write something for sake of writing something.
 
Waterfowler said:
No doubt he will complain about that too. Probably never bought a tag in the first place.
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no-reply@huntandfishontario.com
Thu, Jan 7, 6:03 AM
to me

Fish and Wildlife logo


This is a reminder that you are required by law to complete a deer hunter report by January 14. Failure to report may result in penalties including being prevented from purchasing a future licence or licences, which means you could lose the option to hunt deer next year.

Reporting is easy and should take around 5-10 minutes. Simply:

Gather your Outdoors Card number and information on your hunting activities to login and complete your report.
Complete your report. You can report by:
Going to Ontario.ca/hunterreporting and following the links, or
Calling our automated reporting line: 1-800-288-1155.
Thank you.

Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry

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Now I'll see if I can find the email I sent back to them, telling them to F off over this.
 
It was voluntary for a lot of years
Then it became mandatory, because there was not a good response (is my guess as to why)
Now there is a penalty because there was still not a good response (again is my guess as to why)

I'm 100% ok with guys not filling it out.

Probably just the road hunters anyway...no self respecting deer hunter is going to give up the right to hunt over a 2 min survey.
And then spend more time than that being an internet warrior about why they dont have 2 min of time, why they dont have to cave in to "the big bad GOV" who says I have to do this...

Means less hunters in the field, more chance of me getting a antlerless deer tag/ moose tag etc

So please, by all means, do not complete the survey.
 
CoonT said:
What lesson does this send to my kids?


Hey kids, we do this to pitch in and help support this system of ours. Or,

Hey kids, we do this or we get punished.



Small-minded, short-sighted, self-defeating over-regulation by petty tyrants with more power than they are capable of wielding. The difference between teaching someone what is good, and putting a gun to their head and saying, "This or else!"
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What lesson does it teach my kids.......How bout how to try and help manage the resource?? Or responsibility, maybe accountability, the list is long, but that is up to you.

I'd hate to see the actual lessons you are teaching them.

Just more entitled little millennials who think the world owes them.
 
Waterfowler said:
What lesson does it teach my kids.......How bout how to try and help manage the resource?? Or responsibility, maybe accountability, the list is long, but that is up to you.

I'd hate to see the actual lessons you are teaching them.

Just more entitled little millennials who think the world owes them.
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Wow - posted this as a FYI item - didnt want it to spiral out of control like this.

For big game, not hard for me to keep track, but I do have to keep a journal for the coyote / wolf seals (Gunner 410 marks a calendar) based on the number of days we hunt from Sept 15 - March 31.

For those that know my background, using a secondary data source with no verification of accuracy (ie false / inaccurate reporting) is not a satisfactory scientific method for managing natural resources.

But it is cheap versus doing primary data collection.....

EDIT - just did the deer survey tonight - took a couple of minutes
 
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Maybe for big game this is a good idea.
However I fail to understand how it benefits the provincial government exactly how many squirrels and rabbits are in your freezer.
I view much of the Ontario government just like California. It's management has been so terrible financially they try to cheap out in government services.
Wanna know how much game was harvested? Put more COs to work. Hire more game biologists for the summer months. Collar up some more moose track them by telemitry. Forestry students and such.

Edit: and stop listening to the tree hugging hippies camping out at Queen's Park. Bring back the wolf bounty program ceased in 1988.
The farmers and stockmen will love u for it.
The same kind of people have too much influence in Alberta. Hence we have a grizzly problem in the foothills and east Kootneys.
 
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Chas said:
Wow - posted this as a FYI item - didnt want it to spiral out of control like this.

For big game, not hard for me to keep track, but I do have to keep a journal for the coyote / wolf seals (Gunner 410 marks a calendar) based on the number of days we hunt from Sept 15 - March 31.

For those that know my background, using a secondary data source with no verification of accuracy (ie false / inaccurate reporting) is not a satisfactory scientific method for managing natural resources.

But it is cheap versus doing primary data collection.....
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Naw, all in good fun.:)
 
Brutus said:
Maybe for big game this is a good idea.
However I fail to understand how it benefits the provincial government exactly how many squirrels and rabbits are in your freezer.
I view much of the Ontario government just like California. It's management has been so terrible financially they try to cheap out in government services.
Wanna know how much game was harvested? Put more COs to work. Hire more game biologists for the summer months. Collar up some more moose track them by telemitry. Forestry students and such.

Edit: and stop listening to the tree hugging hippies camping out at Queen's Park. Bring back the wolf bounty program ceased in 1988.
The farmers and stockmen will love u for it.
The same kind of people have too much influence in Alberta. Hence we have a grizzly problem in the foothills and east Kootneys.
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This isn't about small game.

Ontario does hunter reporting for deer, moose, bears, elk, turkeys, and wolves if you hunt in specific areas. Thats it.
 
GreenBob said:
Mandatory penalization is what I have a problem with.

Just another money grab - we already pay for the PAL, hunting license and tag/s.
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It doesn't cost you anything if you fill out the report.


Bigbubba said:
It was voluntary for a lot of years
Then it became mandatory, because there was not a good response (is my guess as to why)
Now there is a penalty because there was still not a good response (again is my guess as to why)

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The penalties were always planned, they just gave hunters a couple years grace to get used to filling them out. Before making it mandatory they mailed out surveys randomly... not everybody got one, but you still had to fill it out. Making it mandatory for everybody who buys a licence gives them better data.
 
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