Glock trying to force Canadian prices up?

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Bottom line is that it clearly appears the Canadian Distributors have complained and Glock US has stepped in and slammed the gavel down. The way I see it is, if Questar can sell them for this price, then the big Distributors can do the same. This almost appears to be price fixing and is that not illegal in Canada?

Once again, S&W M&P.............!
 
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XLR8 said:
Mark : Are you going to start to sell m&p's then ? Since Glock will not work with you.
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No... we're going to continue to make Glock firearms available to Canadian buyers at the best prices possible :)

If we stop then that clears the way for Glock to drive prices back up and that's just not fair. We'll continue to make the guns available as "3rd Party Imports" and from what we've calculated the price for standard guns should remain in the $600 to $650 range.

We'll also continue to make the compact and subcompacts available with 106mm barrels... in spite of Glock's suggestion that there are "safety" issues with using aftermarket barrels on their handguns... what a load of crap. Of all the KB's reported with Glocks the vast majority of them have occured with Glock factory barrels NOT with aftermarket barrels... but that's a whole other issue :runaway:

Mark
 
Mark :
Thanks for the reply. I really don't shoot Glocks but an unfair practice is unfair. I will continue to support Questar.
 
Export and Import fees are bull####!!!! For example, cost of getting import permit for distributor to bring let's say 2000 Glocks is $20 and about 15 minutes of work thanks to improved online system. Cost of getting US export permit is free and 1 hour of paperwork.... Custom fees under NAFTA.... 2%-5% at the most. So, how much would it increase the cost of the gun? 3-5 cents?
 
667 said:
There ya go.
The answere to everything having to do with the sufferage we Canadian shooters endure :(
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Although I agree that we suffer up here as a community, I have to disagree with you from the angle that you are coming from.

It is unreasonable to say that we are a small market in this country and as a result have a higher price structure. The reality is that the Canadian Gun Community has been OVERPRICED ever since I have been a shooter. Oyur willingness to pay ridiculous prices for items that are 1/2 the cost south of the border has created a "elite" class to a certain degree much like the UK system.

For the most part you can own a non-restricted firearm on the cheap up here. But when you begin to change it and you become an AVID shooter it becomes very clear that you have to HAVE MONEY up here to do it. When I had been competing in highpower competition in my teen years, the shooters in that circle in the UK were on average high money earners. Things are slowey getting that way here.

When you count in the fees, ammo, gun, club fees, we are like everyone other group of sheeple in Canada and submit to BOHICA pricing. We now as a people say that 99 cents a litre is cheap gas!!! It is very much the same in all venues in Canada.

I understand perfectly well that industrial units don't pay for themselves, people to do paperwork need to get paid, shipping and duties, taxes are owed......but The Canadian Gun Nut is on average paying a disproportionate amount for what the average American Gun Nut is paying. It's time to change the trend. If the prices come down the the Canadian MARKET will become larger than 1%, a shooter will likely buy more than 1 gun. I would rather have the glocks come down in price and buy 3-4 (various calibers and sizes) instead of just 1.

My .02

Boltgun
 
guess_kto said:
Export and Import fees are bulls**t!!!! For example, cost of getting import permit for distributor to bring let's say 2000 Glocks is $20 and about 15 minutes of work thanks to improved online system. Cost of getting US export permit is free and 1 hour of paperwork.... Custom fees under NAFTA.... 2%-5% at the most. So, how much would it increase the cost of the gun? 3-5 cents?
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Well I'm guessing that means your ready and willing to step up to do all this... Please let me know your pricing and when you expect to receive your shipment..

I'll take a G20 with factory night sights in OD please. was that $520 just like in the states?

You forgot to mention;
  • that export licenses are not free (The permits may be free... the licenses far from it)..
  • that firearms can't be shipped by standard carriers...
  • And that all firearms imported need to verified and entered into our wonderful CFIS system...
  • permits all take time to get.. Both in the Canada (IIC 2-8 weeks) and in the US (4 weeks if your FFL is online(which does cost $$$) up to 12 if you are doing it by paper)
 
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Bear23,

You are correct, however the big difference is the fees are usually spread out over the sale of a bunch of guns.

I don't think anyone expects our dealers to charge 1-2% over cost. A business cannot survive on that. What we are seeing up here though is a VERY significant difference in pricing.

I get the idea that US mfgrs give US dealers a better price when compared to the rest of the world. Regardless dealer pricing is dealer pricing. If a distributor makes 50-75.00 per gun that is reasonable. We have seen distributors make 2-300 per gun, then the price is up'ed again for the dealer to make their share. That 350.00 glock at an agency price is being sold to agencies now for upwards of 6-800.00 per gun at times. It wasn't that long ago (lemme think - when Questar started selling Glocks) that a Glock 22 was 1000.00 in the local gunstore.

IIC- are free. licences are not expensive on our side. US mfgrs that export usually charge to do the work on their side. Fair enough. 100-200 dollar fee spread out over 100-200 guns only adds a small amount. Shipping can be expensive with the mandated carriers - for one or two guns, once again spread out over volume then the price is negligiable (SP?). Once again I do not deny that it COSTS to get the stuff up here. But I cannot agree that it warrants 2-300 + bucks over cost for a gun that shouldnt be that expensive in the first place.

I stand by the notion that if gun prices (accessories, ammo, club fees, et al) come down, our sport will grow.

Boltgun
 
Boltgun said:
Bear23,

You are correct, however the big difference is the fees are usually spread out over the sale of a bunch of guns.

I don't think anyone expects our dealers to charge 1-2% over cost. A business cannot survive on that. What we are seeing up here though is a VERY significant difference in pricing.

I get the idea that US mfgrs give US dealers a better price when compared to the rest of the world. Regardless dealer pricing is dealer pricing. If a distributor makes 50-75.00 per gun that is reasonable. We have seen distributors make 2-300 per gun, then the price is up'ed again for the dealer to make their share. That 350.00 glock at an agency price is being sold to agencies now for upwards of 6-800.00 per gun at times. It wasn't that long ago (lemme think - when Questar started selling Glocks) that a Glock 22 was 1000.00 in the local gunstore.

IIC- are free. licences are not expensive on our side. US mfgrs that export usually charge to do the work on their side. Fair enough. 100-200 dollar fee spread out over 100-200 guns only adds a small amount. Shipping can be expensive with the mandated carriers - for one or two guns, once again spread out over volume then the price is negligiable (SP?). Once again I do not deny that it COSTS to get the stuff up here. But I cannot agree that it warrants 2-300 + bucks over cost for a gun that shouldnt be that expensive in the first place.

I stand by the notion that if gun prices (accessories, ammo, club fees, et al) come down, our sport will grow.

Boltgun
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Don't disagree with the major points..

I'm just trying to point out again when people start spouting about US prices is that there are factors in getting stuff into Canada that the US dealers don't have to deal with... And when the dollar came into play a while ago there were so many people telling us how easy and cheap it is to get things into Canada... I said BS then and I'll say it again... Yes, prices should come down.. But they will never ever come near the prices in the US because there are costs of $50- 100 per gun just to comply with what you need too... And I haven't included brokerage fees and the other crap a dealer needs to deal with..

US export licenses run into the 1000's of dollars per year.. being online to get the IED's costs big time..Yes, these fees can be spread out...
But the labor to get the firearms "verified" and into the CFIS is not free (say 10 minutes per).. And cannot be spread out as it is a per firearm cost. Shipping is another thing.. It only can be spread out if you bring in a whack of guns... but then you have inventory that may sit...
 
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bear.23 said:
Don't disagree with the major points..

I'm just trying to point out again when people start spouting about US prices is that there are factors in getting stuff into Canada that the US dealers don't have to deal with... And when the dollar came into play a while ago there were so many people telling us how easy and cheap it is to get things into Canada... I said BS then and I'll say it again... Yes, prices should come down.. But they will never ever come near the prices in the US because there are costs of $50- 100 per gun just to comply with what you need too... And I haven't included brokerage fees and the other crap a dealer needs to deal with..

US export licenses run into the 1000's of dollars per year.. being online to get the IED's costs big time..Yes, these fees can be spread out...
But the labor to get the firearms "verified" and into the CFIS is not free (say 10 minutes per).. And cannot be spread out as it is a per firearm cost. Shipping is another thing.. It only can be spread out if you bring in a whack of guns... but then you have inventory that may sit...
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Well hang on here a minute, I'm lost.

Does'nt Questar have to go through the same hoops that you do? Does he work for free? Does he get his permits for free?

I guess what I'm asking is; how come he can sell Glocks cheaply until the other Canadian retailers start crying?:confused:

Just trying to get a better understanding of what's going on here, no disrespect intended.
 
joe-nwt said:
Well hang on here a minute, I'm lost.

Does'nt Questar have to go through the same hoops that you do? Does he work for free? Does he get his permits for free?

I guess what I'm asking is; how come he can sell Glocks cheaply until the other Canadian retailers start crying?:confused:

Just trying to get a better understanding of what's going on here, no disrespect intended.
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The whole point (kinda) to this thread.
 
If I could, I'd use a crayon here.

1) Questar can legally retail Glock pistols bought from US distributors/wholesalers at a much lower prices than other Canadian retailers can (who buy from "official Glock" Canadian distributors/wholesalers);
2) Glock responds by prohibiting U.S. distributors/wholesalers from selling to Questar thus eliminating competition posed by Questar - this allows Glock's Canadian distributor/wholesalers to continue to sell to Canadian retailers at inflated prices.
3) We pay more

You do not need to know anything else (i.e. Canada's population relative to the U.S., details about export licenses, import fees etc. etc.). There is no argument or additional analysis that will shed more light on the simple fact that Questar can legally provide the same pistols cheaper.

Oh and anybody that thinks that because we are a smaller market we should endure higher prices is, well, an idio...um, ill-informed.

Glock is not producing custom pistols for us. It isn't like we have a special Canadian edition Glock - they are the same guns sold by the hundreds of thousands in the US. Thus the costs of producing the extra couple of thousand pistols sold in Canada are "marginal" - in the simplest of terms, the cost per pistol to produce the millionth pistol is far less (i.e "incremental cost") than the first hundred because you've covered all of your fixed costs (design, tooling, fixed labour etc.) on first million guns you produced and sold. BTW Glock has produced over 8 million pistols to date.

After Glock supplies the US market selling to Canadians is just gravy.

We are being ripped off.
 
joe-nwt said:
Well hang on here a minute, I'm lost.

Does'nt Questar have to go through the same hoops that you do? Does he work for free? Does he get his permits for free?

I guess what I'm asking is; how come he can sell Glocks cheaply until the other Canadian retailers start crying?:confused:

Just trying to get a better understanding of what's going on here, no disrespect intended.
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Mark is doing some the legwork himself and doesn't sub out like others do and he also has removed a couple tiers in distribution chain... He's not doing anything illegal... But Glock is complaining that he's not following their distribution path.. Their right... I don't agree with it but I was responding to the gentleman who was explaining how things should be..
 
Boltgun said:
The Lorax,

We are being ripped off. is exactly right.

Boltgun
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questar rules and frankly the "authorized" dealers should have the right to lower the price so that the second line dealers like tse and such can also have a lower price.

but frankly glock is screwing all canadian dealers by keeping the prices inflated.
 
The Lorax said:
667: Am I to take your post as suggesting that you are in agreement with Glock's 1% argument?
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Yes.
The market for guns in Canada, especially handguns is so small compared to the US that I'd bet if Glock(or any other manufacturer) never sold another pistol in the Great White North they'd hardly notice.

As I stated... If people are so upset about the price of something... Don't buy it.
 
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