Ontario Mandatory Reporting Penalty Decision

1ABNDT said:
I received my Hunting License last month and in my opinion this program is part of a hunters responsibility to help manage wildlife. I will do my part.
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I hadn't visited the forum in awhile and find it unbelievable that people are still #####ing about reporting on this thread.
My guess the "anti's" are either dinosaurs or just shyte disturbers. Move forward people as you're getting left behind.
 
Coincidentally, this months OOD magazine had a little snippet about the result of mandatory reporting. Turns out the whining little cry babies were wrong and mandatory reporting is beneficial. No it shouldn't be mandatory, but that's a direct result of lazy or anti government types not completing voluntary reports.


The data gathered from mandatory reporting has resulted in the approval of a month long fall turkey season being opened in WMU's 60, 63, 69, 70, 74, 75 and 86.


Hunters helped the MNRF get an idea of game populations and the result was they looked into it more and came to the conclusion the turkey population can sustain a fall harvest.

Weird how managers having more information about game populations can be very beneficial. Only a year or two into mandatory reporting and we're already seeing the benefits....
 
canadian hunter312 said:
Coincidentally, this months OOD magazine had a little snippet about the result of mandatory reporting. Turns out the whining little cry babies were wrong and mandatory reporting is beneficial. No it shouldn't be mandatory, but that's a direct result of lazy or anti government types not completing voluntary reports.


The data gathered from mandatory reporting has resulted in the approval of a month long fall turkey season being opened in WMU's 60, 63, 69, 70, 74, 75 and 86.


Hunters helped the MNRF get an idea of game populations and the result was they looked into it more and came to the conclusion the turkey population can sustain a fall harvest.

Weird how managers having more information about game populations can be very beneficial. Only a year or two into mandatory reporting and we're already seeing the benefits....
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While I agree that reporting is beneficial and I’ve always contributed to every survey or report irrespective of threat of tag loss or fine, mandatory turkey harvest reports have been in place for more than a decade in Ontario so it’s hard to attribute the expansion of fall turkey hunting opportunities to these recent changes.
 
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CoonT said:
This is why we've lost so many guns over the years in this country. Guys just meekly smiling and shrugging their shoulders in an effort to get along. "Oh well, it's fine" "What's the big deal" "It's only 2 minutes/2 weeks/ select variants..."


I would be willing to bet that 100% of the guys who like the idea of making this survey mandatory and subject to punishment, also voted for Andrew Scheer.
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You need to disconnect from the internet for a bit brother, the Corona is going to your brain. Shut down the computer and turn it back on in July. It’ll do ya good!
 
Runningfool said:
While I agree that reporting is beneficial and I’ve always contributed to every survey or report irrespective of threat of tag loss or fine, mandatory turkey harvest reports have been in place for more than a decade in Ontario so it’s hard to attribute the expansion of fall turkey hunting opportunities to these recent changes.
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Yeah, "mandatory" turkey reporting that less than half of hunters actually bothered doing before they actually started enforcing it a couple years ago. I would guess maybe 1/3 of hunters were reporting their turkey.

It is not hard at all to determine if these new hunts are a result of mandatory reporting when the MNRF specifically says 13 new turkey hunts will have been created as a direct result of mandatory reporting. If you rea the article it actually says these areas likely could have sustained a hunt years ago so lack of reporting has resulted in many people missing years worth of turkey hunting in their area. Go team non reporters!

Here is a good read with specific examples of before and after reporting numbers. In one area I believe turkey reporting jumped 3x after they actually made it mandatory with penalty.

It's a very good read for those who cannot understand the concept of reporting and how that information is used.

https://www.ofah.org/insider/2021/1...ario-drives-new-turkey-hunting-opportunities/
 
CoonT said:
Ha! Maybe. Although I think I'm already about as disconnected as it gets..
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I'm with you 100% CoonT. I don't work for the f'ing gov't (anymore), and I'm no slave, so no one has any business telling me mandatory anything. F mandatory report. F a mandatory census. F mandatory sorting your recycling. etc.

As Suka posted the other day... One cannot change reality by changing the words you use to describe reality.

 
canadian hunter312 said:
Yeah, "mandatory" turkey reporting that less than half of hunters actually bothered doing before they actually started enforcing it a couple years ago. I would guess maybe 1/3 of hunters were reporting their turkey.

It is not hard at all to determine if these new hunts are a result of mandatory reporting when the MNRF specifically says 13 new turkey hunts will have been created as a direct result of mandatory reporting. If you rea the article it actually says these areas likely could have sustained a hunt years ago so lack of reporting has resulted in many people missing years worth of turkey hunting in their area. Go team non reporters!

Here is a good read with specific examples of before and after reporting numbers. In one area I believe turkey reporting jumped 3x after they actually made it mandatory with penalty.

It's a very good read for those who cannot understand the concept of reporting and how that information is used.

https://www.ofah.org/insider/2021/1...ario-drives-new-turkey-hunting-opportunities/
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I’m on your side wrt mandatory reporting, but to explain that the recent expansion of turkey hunts is because we are “a year or two into mandatory reporting” just doesn’t make sense. We are more than a decade into mandatory turkey harvest reports in Ontario. I read the ofah article and they list education, changes in reporting, in addition to enforcement as likely reasons for the increased reporting rate. It wouldn’t surprise me if the MNDMNRF had the data all along but just never acted on it.
 
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Runningfool said:
I’m on your side wrt mandatory reporting, but to explain that the recent expansion of turkey hunts is because we are “a year or two into mandatory reporting” just doesn’t make sense. We are more than a decade into mandatory turkey harvest reports in Ontario. I read the ofah article and they list education, changes in reporting, in addition to enforcement as likely reasons for the increased reporting rate. It wouldn’t surprise me if the MNDMNRF had the data all along but just never acted on it.
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You need to read the article again if it doesn't make sense. They discuss a specific example in a WMU where for 10-11 years the average reported harvest was less than 90 birds. But, once mandatory reporting and penalty began in 2019 the number of birds harvested magically tripled.

Again, the old mandatory turkey reporting system had zero penalty for not reporting so fewer than half of hunters were reporting their turkey before 2019.


"Both metrics for opening a fall season rely on harvest data that is only collected through hunter reporting."


"Prior to the 2019 changes to Ontario’s hunter reporting system, these areas had spring harvests that fell below the 200-bird threshold. However, due to increased education and enforcement of mandatory reporting, and the changes to the reporting system, the number of hunters who reported their spring harvest increased. Now all 13 of these aforementioned units have jumped above the 200 birds needed for a fall season."

 
canadian hunter312 said:
But, once mandatory reporting and penalty began in 2019 the number of birds harvested magically tripled.

Again, the old mandatory turkey reporting system had zero penalty for not reporting so fewer than half of hunters were reporting their turkey before 2019.
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The article makes sense. Your assertion that the introduction of mandatory reporting in 2019 lead to wild turkey changes doesn’t because mandatory reporting for wild turkey has been in place for many years. And as far as penalties go, there is still zero penalty for not reporting - penalties such as fines and withholding tags are not set to begin until 2023.

Maybe reporting increased because hunters in some of those wmu’s woke up to the idea that completing their mandatory surveys would lead to an expanded season. Or perhaps it was as simple as sending email reminders that harvest reports were due. Or maybe it was the perceived threat of penalty. But mandatory reporting began long before 2019 so that’s clearly not the reason.
 
First of all, thanks Chas for bringing this to my attention.

Second, the original post referred to Ontario. It is interesting to hear what is in place in other areas wrt reporting, but not perhaps germane to this thread.

Third, I understand the "cold, dead hands" sentiment for lots of things, ESPECIALLY firearms. But here in Ontario, where successive governments have cut the MNRF repeatedly, the game managers we have in this province are trying to work without the tools they should have. I am sure there may be lazy and/or incompetent folks in the MNRF, like there are practically everywhere, but there are also good, hard-working folks that CARE about their jobs, and CARE about hunting, and CARE about the wildlife populations. THEY are not the government that makes the decisions. The game managers make their recommendations based on the data they have. So whether or not I agree with mandatory reporting, and whether or not I agree with modest consequences for non-reporting, I want to give those wildlife managers the best data I can provide as a citizen who hunts here in Ontario. And I do think that citizens have certain obligations to their governments, whether we like those obligations or not.

When I had the privilege to hunt in other provinces and Yukon (as a hunter from Ontario), I was happy to complete the mandatory reports afterwards.

So I get it that this is one more instance of a government choosing to use coercion, and I get it that we have way too much of this in our lives (especially for FIREARMS), but given the restraints imposed by that same government on OUR game managers, I think it reasonable to try in my small way to help those game managers make intelligent decisions. And I am reasonably optimistic that the decisions will benefit wildlife, and will benefit me personally.

JMOYMV

Doug
 
Runningfool said:
The article makes sense. Your assertion that the introduction of mandatory reporting in 2019 lead to wild turkey changes doesn’t because mandatory reporting for wild turkey has been in place for many years. And as far as penalties go, there is still zero penalty for not reporting - penalties such as fines and withholding tags are not set to begin until 2023.

Maybe reporting increased because hunters in some of those wmu’s woke up to the idea that completing their mandatory surveys would lead to an expanded season. Or perhaps it was as simple as sending email reminders that harvest reports were due. Or maybe it was the perceived threat of penalty. But mandatory reporting began long before 2019 so that’s clearly not the reason.
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Apparently the article does not make sense to you? I even quoted a paragraph for you to make it easier.

Read that paragraph a few times until it clicks in your head. Or go read one of the other write ups explaining how mandatory reporting changes in 2019 encouraged more hunters to report their birds?

Or maybe even just read the title of the article you supposedly read?

IIRC the latest OOD mag states mandatory turkey reporting prior to 2019 was less than 70%.
 
canadian hunter312 said:
Apparently the article does not make sense to you? I even quoted a paragraph for you to make it easier.

Read that paragraph a few times until it clicks in your head. Or go read one of the other write ups explaining how mandatory reporting changes in 2019 encouraged more hunters to report their birds?

Or maybe even just read the title of the article you supposedly read?

IIRC the latest OOD mag states mandatory turkey reporting prior to 2019 was less than 70%.
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<sigh> I said the article makes sense (see the first sentence of the post you just quoted). The title of the article, “Better Hunter Reporting Drives New Turkey Hunting Opportunities” makes sense. You stated changes took place because turkey harvest reports were made mandatory in the last year or two and this was what I took issue with because turkey harvest reports have been mandatory for decades. You are aware of that fact right?

Anyhow, I am encouraged that more people are submitting harvest reports whatever the reason. Like Doug above, I am optimistic the information we provide benefits wildlife management which benefits us hunters and the article you posted proves it. And compared to the 40 or so envelopes I completed, stuffed wings and feathers into, and took into the post office I find the surveys much easier!
 
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