RCMP Letter of Interest for a New Service Pistol

I'm with it being a "her" thing.

Correctional Service of Canada and Parks Canada are on the HK P2000, which they love, minus the Super heavy DA only trigger. These should be upgraded to the LEM system.
Not "reinventing the wheel" is actually maybe a hindrance to getting a newer and better product. In the Military's case, just buy more P226's for everyone, but why do that when you can move to newer technology that is more cost effective.
Same with RCMP, why stay with what you have or just buy the 35 year old technology that many others are using (Glock), when you have the opportunity to possibly get something better or newer?

Rich
 
Rich LPS said:
Actually no the Walther does not.

While most don't know this, with the slide locked open and the chamber empty, insert the rear of a handcuff key into the hole in the rear plate, easily slide the plate off and remove the striker assembly. All Police Officers have a handcuff key (s) as standard issue equipment. Then allow the slide to move forward under control. Weapon is now stripped into 6 parts not including the magazine. Current S&W 5946 is disassembled into 6 parts as well, with non-captive recoil spring. Both guns have the same number of parts when stripped.
Walther also recommends the easy removal of the striker assembly for wiping down, much easier than removing the Glock plate that is under pressure.

Rich
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That is a lot of extra work...just ACTS and PROVE and your fine.
 
We wish it was only that simple....it should be!
You hammer into trainees don't touch the trigger, never touch the trigger until you are on target and have decided to shoot, then they are brought into a classroom and told, ok pull the trigger and take the gun apart. This is the issue with guns you have to pull the trigger to take apart. You can try and say it's "training" or whatever, but it is still a factor whether we like it or not. Guns that don't need to have the trigger pulled don't have this potential factor.

Rich
 
Rich LPS said:
I'm with it being a "her" thing.

Correctional Service of Canada and Parks Canada are on the HK P2000, which they love, minus the Super heavy DA only trigger. These should be upgraded to the LEM system.
Not "reinventing the wheel" is actually maybe a hindrance to getting a newer and better product. In the Military's case, just buy more P226's for everyone, but why do that when you can move to newer technology that is more cost effective.
Same with RCMP, why stay with what you have or just buy the 35 year old technology that many others are using (Glock), when you have the opportunity to possibly get something better or newer?

Rich
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The history of our nation's procurements shows that whether it is newer, it rarely is better. - dan
 
If S&W agree to buy back all the S&W parts and pistols currently in inventory, the M&P gets the nod. After the fiasco with Glock and the military contract why would anyone think the Gen5 Glock has any chance of winning. The Civil Service boys are still suffering from butt hurt.

Since we all are just guessing and quietly promoting our blaster to confirm our purchase I'll chime in with the following in no particular ranking:

1. M&P lots of versions and they all work the same. Not very modular. Mine has been faithful to me, albeit with a custom rear sight.

2. Walther PDP only because the trigger is the same as my PPQ, 5.6lbs with a 1/10th inch reset. It has groovy written all over it.

3. For the win Sig 320. This will be the Cdn. forces pistol. The gun is truly modular. Is the easiest gun to modify for any use the RCMP require. It will be the least expensive to buy and maintain. It is also the most tested of any pistol mentioned on this thread and likely has has more rounds fired through it than any other gun listed in this thread as well. The US armed forces go through more rounds and purchase more pistols than the Canadian forces, including all police departments in Canada. There is no reason why the 320 would lose this contract IMHO.

Of all the striker fired pistols listed on this thread to date I don't believe there is a significant difference in any of them as it relates to accuracy or reliability. Price will be the determining factor along with an easy political explanation for the purchase of the pistol. M&P or Sig 320 flip a coin for the win.

Take Care

Bob
ps Now wearing the Wilson Combat frame my 320XFive has moved up the latter as being my favourite IDPA pistol. I have to say that because I just installed the Wilson on my gun. I do shoot my PPQ Match the best but then it wears a few extra parts. My M&P Pro 5" got me to Expert in SSP Division which should count for something.
 
Canuck44,

You are almost 100% right. Only thing is S&W cannot buy back any RCMP or any Canadian Police Agency handgun or any firearm period. They can take the parts but not the guns. Legislation prevents these types of transfers now. Sig P320 makes the most sense. Nothing wrong with S&W, Walther, HK or FN509's either as you have stated.

Rich
 
prairieguy said:
Here are some of the clauses that may interfere with procurement:

From the LOI, questions for Industry to be answered in the vendor's reply to Canada


6. The RCMP provides federal, provincial, territorial and municipal policing services to Canadians,
including policing services in over 600 Indigenous Communities across the Country.

• Does your company currently participate in any existing initiatives that help bring
economic benefits or positive societal impacts to Indigenous communities in Canada?
No because you fvcking woketards destroyed the firearm industry.
• Can your company propose any ideas of how this contract could be leveraged to
support socio-economic objectives in Indigenous communities?
See answer above
7. Please identify how your company promotes diversity and inclusion in its organization. This
might include things like internal staffing or recruitment strategies to increase representation of
underrepresented groups in the workforce, the development of specific policies and training, etc.
We're not a woke company, fvck you!
• Could your company provide any recommendations of how it could diversify its supply
chain (e.g. by targeting underrepresented and minority groups such as women,
Indigenous, racialized minorities, persons with disabilities, lesbian, ###, bisexual and
transgender) in support of this contract?
You're woketarded!
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These are the answers they should give.
 
Rich LPS said:
Canuck44,

You are almost 100% right. Only thing is S&W cannot buy back any RCMP or any Canadian Police Agency handgun or any firearm period. They can take the parts but not the guns. Legislation prevents these types of transfers now. Sig P320 makes the most sense. Nothing wrong with S&W, Walther, HK or FN509's either as you have stated.

Rich
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Yes I forgot about that BUT we are talking Trudeau and maybe he can write an OIC to allow for it. He has a steller reputation when it comes to avoiding or ignoring the Law. What would be one more as you know he knows what is best for Canadians.

Take Care

Bob
 
Yes, the spring on the floor was absolutely her doing. She took it apart, as she'd been told to do after getting it back from depot, including removing the firing pin. Obviously the spring went spring and she either didn't notice or didn't think it important. She's lucky she came shooting and discovered the issue before going back to work.
And Rich, CSC loves their P2000s? Not out here they don't, they hate them, and not just because of the triggers either.
 
Canuck44 said:
If S&W agree to buy back all the S&W parts and pistols currently in inventory, the M&P gets the nod. After the fiasco with Glock and the military contract why would anyone think the Gen5 Glock has any chance of winning. The Civil Service boys are still suffering from butt hurt.

Since we all are just guessing and quietly promoting our blaster to confirm our purchase I'll chime in with the following in no particular ranking:

1. M&P lots of versions and they all work the same. Not very modular. Mine has been faithful to me, albeit with a custom rear sight.

2. Walther PDP only because the trigger is the same as my PPQ, 5.6lbs with a 1/10th inch reset. It has groovy written all over it.

3. For the win Sig 320. This will be the Cdn. forces pistol. The gun is truly modular. Is the easiest gun to modify for any use the RCMP require. It will be the least expensive to buy and maintain. It is also the most tested of any pistol mentioned on this thread and likely has has more rounds fired through it than any other gun listed in this thread as well. The US armed forces go through more rounds and purchase more pistols than the Canadian forces, including all police departments in Canada. There is no reason why the 320 would lose this contract IMHO.

Of all the striker fired pistols listed on this thread to date I don't believe there is a significant difference in any of them as it relates to accuracy or reliability. Price will be the determining factor along with an easy political explanation for the purchase of the pistol. M&P or Sig 320 flip a coin for the win.

Take Care

Bob
ps Now wearing the Wilson Combat frame my 320XFive has moved up the latter as being my favourite IDPA pistol. I have to say that because I just installed the Wilson on my gun. I do shoot my PPQ Match the best but then it wears a few extra parts. My M&P Pro 5" got me to Expert in SSP Division which should count for something.
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You got a pretty good crystal ball there buds, maybe I can borrow it sometime?
 
mildot said:
You got a pretty good crystal ball there buds, maybe I can borrow it sometime?
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If you are borrowing it for stock market advice I would look elsewhere. LOL It fogs up when it come to picking LOTO tickets as well.

The 320 hardly ranks as a guess.

Take Care

Bob
 
saskcop said:
I pretty sure that it would have been her doing. The armorers at Depot are top notch guys and highly unlikely they would miss something like that.
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Been to the Depot Armourers shop for a course. The instructor from the US stated that he had never seen a better equipped Armourer's shop, better than any major Police Service he had ever been to. The civilian staff there were super knowledgeable and work on 1000's of guns each year, including custom / machining work. Top Men indeed!

Rich
 
Canuck44 said:
Why? Ask Glock they are on their 5th attempt. The 4th never worked out all that well.

Take Care

Bob
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Actually the Glock 17M/19M or Gen 5 came about because of the FBI pistol solicitation and not because the Gen 4 didn’t work out

gadget
 
Gadget if that were true and it isn't actually there would have been no need to add metal to the front and rear of the Gen 4 slide due to the fact under heavy use the nose of the slide had a habit of falling off and cracks appeared in the rear of the slide. Because the slide needed redesigning they had to redo the trigger group. To recap the Gen5 Glock has a new slide, a new frame and a new trigger group in other words the Gen 5 Glock is a new pistol which looks like the previous couple but not all of the previous iterations.

The Glock has been a great pistol and in many ways a leader it its field BUT time has moved on.

The Sig 320 has the best modularity of any pistol in its group. Remove our 105+ barrel rules and you could buy at least six different models of the gun with one registered pistol. The gun was designed to meet the needs of the US Armed Forces. It won and in time I would predict it will become the #1 pistol in the LEO departments in the US.

The Walther PPQ/PDP have easily the best trigger and trigger reset of the group and one could add designed accuracy due to it's stepped chamber and polygonal rifling. Ergonomically the PDP pistol was designed from the ground up to be a policeman's pistol. The PDP likely is the only rival the 320 has in the LEO market right now.

The S&W, Berreta, & CZ P-10 both offer better ergos than the Glock and function as well.

Now for the killer it all comes down to price in virtually all Gov.t purchases after a minimum threshold has been met. If you add in your minimum criteria the word "Modularity" there is only one pistol right now that meets that requirement. Hint: It isn't the Glock. If you remove "modularity" from the discussion then in the LEO market the Glock has a chance unless S&W decides to buy the contract. I would not be surprised to see S&W go after the RCMP contract. The RCMP still has marketing appeal in the US. The new version of the M&P Contract is every bit as good as the Glock 19. We would see more of this version of the M&P line up here has S&W used some marketing sense and produced the gun with a 4.2" barrel and slide. I'll buy the suppressor version and wack of the barrel to 106MM, others might not be so inclined.

Just my opinion based Solley on my experience. Others can chime and tell my I am full of ...well we do all have our opinions.

Take Care
Bob
 
spartan63 said:
At this point the Government of Canada has conducted multiple pistol testings in as many years - CBSA (RCMP were quite involved in this evaluation as they were interested in the PX4 amongst other contenders). the military (rocking sigs 225/226 and now p320 in both 9mm and .40) and everybody else mostly rocking Glocks or sigs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_firearms_in_Canada why reinvent the wheel?

Specialist units may require different things, sure, but as a general application - standardise across the federal agencies.
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The problem is, when you ask the CBSA, RCMP, OPP, SQ, CAF, SOF, they will all tell you that they are specialized units with specialized requirements.
 
Cameron SS said:
The problem is, when you ask the CBSA, RCMP, OPP, SQ, CAF, SOF, they will all tell you that they are specialized units with specialized requirements.
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Truer words have yet to be spoken. We would all be better served if they would buy one pistol and tell them to make do. Providing ammunition optional.

Take Care
Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Truer words have yet to be spoken. We would all be better served if they would buy one pistol and tell them to make do. Providing ammunition optional.

Take Care
Bob
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One pistol to rule them all;
One pistol to find them all;
One pistol to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them
LOL
 
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