Glut of hunting rifles for sale on EE... wonder what % actually sell?

I don’t know if I agree. Many firearms are well made, but there are many that are quasi disposable now with low grade polymer and pot metal.

I'm with you on that one.
- I think the newer "quality" rifles are pretty much as nice/good as the older one. The pre-war 70 I got to handle felt smoother than the new iteration of the same rifle... but not by much (and that's probably just bias opinion on my part)

But today, there seems to be more "cheaper" rifles being available, and probably more of them being sold...
 
If we're speaking about what appear to be outlandish prices on the EE, what some guys are asking for pre-64 Model 70s has me scratching my head. However, maybe I'm missing something here. The ones I've seen going for $2000, or, in one case, $2975, seem like well-used guns with a fair amount of wear and nothing special to recommend them. I'm not a M70 owner (and have never been caught up in the M70 mystique), but I gather that the newer ones with CRF are equal or superior in quality to the pre-64 guns, with all the standard M70 features. So I can only guess that there are some guys out there who seem to think that "pre-64" is something magical. Maybe they're just avid M70 collectors (I know one or two). But a well-used pre-64 with a very plain stock with no checkering, faded, scratched, or completely-absent bluing, and who knows how many rounds the barrel, going for $2975 just seems ridiculous when a brand-new wood-stocked CRF M70 can be had for $1200 and a new fancier Super-Grade M70 can be had for around $2000. What am I missing? :confused:

I paid $1055 shipped for a used model 70 featherweight in 308, with Leupold bases and rings, made in 2012 at the FN plant South Carolina in very good condition. I have to say that I think a lot of the sellers of older model 70 control round feed rifles are just looking for someone who does not know what they are actually selling for. However in some cases an older model might be the way to go if you want iron sights, since the new ones do not have iron sights unless they are the Alaskan or Safari models. I think you do have to be quick, if you spot something you are interested in and the selling price is reasonable.
 
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I don’t know if I agree. Many firearms are well made, but there are many that are quasi disposable now with low grade polymer and pot metal.

Yes there is junk out there. Always has been.
But a sako rifle, or a Kimber or pick your better brand, those rifles are near perfection for hunting rifles
 
I think the best way I can say this is that many of today's rifles are extremely accurate, are generally well-made, and with precise fitment due to CNC tolerances. They make great functional tools. However, they lack that special factor because they didn't get the personal touch of hand finishing and final fitment. They also lack the history and uniqueness of days gone by (whether it be from a past great war or because they were made in the days when pride was taken in their production). I could be wrong, as I can't foresee the future, but modern guns are unlikely to be coveted for custom conversions. Do you think a 2022 Toyota Celica found in a barn 50 years from now will cause the finder to salivate at the thought of a full restoration or custom conversion the same way a '68-'73 Mopar barn find would inspire us today?

Collectability is another matter. Some people collect dead ants and bottle caps. Yes, Ruger #1's, for example, will very likely be collectible well into the future as would those commemorative Winchester's with the gold plated accoutrements and various engravings from trucks to native wars:).

Oh what the hell, maybe our grandchildren will go crazy over a CNC machined action as a basis for a custom "bolt on" build. ;)
 
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Why would you need to customize a rifle to make it collectable?

You don't. You customize a rifle to make it unique, to get the features you want, and to make it "your own". But if you're going to go that route you don't start out by using a Salvage Axle, you use the best, highest quality materials you can find.
 
I'm a member of a number of different forums, and a moderator on one of those. All of them have some version of the EE, and they all seem to have the same pattern.

People list things, but the question is why? If you want it to sell, the key is to have the right price. If it aint selling, then your price is too high.

The problem with forums though is that they are full of people with a passion for that forum's interest. When you have a passion for something, you will naturally value it more than the average person will. It's that passion that makes us think our crap is worth more than it really is, and so we list the price way too high. When it doesn't sell, we blame the crowd - a bunch of idiots who don't know value! We say.

Across the board I always use the rule of thumb that any used item is only worth 1/2 of the new price - the price if you bought it new. Then you can adjust up or down a little based on condition. So a used item that is truly in mint condition - list that for about 60% of the new price. If it's used and in decent condition, Keep it right at 50%. If it's used and looks like it, better drop to 40-45%.

Often people balk at that rule of thumb. They get all indignant and offended, upset that I would suggest that they should sell their precious mint condition used thingamabob for only 60% of the new price, when they had in fact intended to list it for 90% of the new price and try to seal that deal by boasting you could "save the tax!" . They get mad at me for suggesting the lower price, but a month later when their item still hasn't sold, sometimes they get the message then.

I've almost always followed that rule of thumb, and everytime I have i've sold the item the same day.

I have a high quality impact driver for sale right now that I won in a contest. It's brand new, never been used, still in the box, so I thought I might be able to list it for more. So I actually did list for 90% of the new price and boasted that they could "save the tax" ! Fat lot of good it did, i've had that listing up for a month and not had a single bite!

When buying used, you have more risk. If I buy new from the store, and something goes wrong, I can return to the store and get it made right. No such luck with used sales, so when you buy used you necessarily take on all that risk. That risk is what makes the item worth only half of the new price.

One last thought: on the forum I moderate, we don't delete the sold listings. We just add "sold" to the end of the title, and close the thread. That way all those sold threads remain as a record of what items actually sold and how much they sold for. If I go to list an item, I can first do a search and see how many items like mine have sold in the past and what they sold for, and that gives you a real helpful idea of what I could list mine for.
 
You don't. You customize a rifle to make it unique, to get the features you want, and to make it "your own". But if you're going to go that route you don't start out by using a Salvage Axle, you use the best, highest quality materials you can find.

Damn that was funny, the salvage axle bit!!
 
One last thought: on the forum I moderate, we don't delete the sold listings. We just add "sold" to the end of the title, and close the thread. That way all those sold threads remain as a record of what items actually sold and how much they sold for. If I go to list an item, I can first do a search and see how many items like mine have sold in the past and what they sold for, and that gives you a real helpful idea of what I could list mine for.

You have no idea what they sold for. The asking price maybe but most guys just overwrite spf over the price because it’s none of anyone else’s business what the asking price was once it’s gone.
 
You have no idea what they sold for. The asking price maybe but most guys just overwrite spf over the price because it’s none of anyone else’s business what the asking price was once it’s gone.

I usually delete the $ on sold item, but will leave the pictures up...
- I'm sure we've all a potential buyer dig-up some old add from a decade (or two) ago, to justify why we should sell something to them for the afore mentioned $

What I get a good laugh at, are the response from some members (I know, we all have a busy schedule and life sometime gets in the way)
- One one had, you'll have the folks that respond in seconds... and the stuff is sold/paid for/shipped before the ink even has the time to dry...
- On the other hand, there's the individuals that will respond with an offer/picture/whatnot... months later
 
The time I spend on the EE nowadays is to see who can top out on the most ridiculous price for something there. I full well realize that everything has gone up and everyone thinks that what they are selling is worth more than 50% of new, but WOW. That kind of optimism should bleed over into the threads about C21, lol. There is way more "high end" stuff on there now than ever before too. It seems there are way more hoops to jump through now to buy and sell on the EE than ever including new requirements for shipping CP. That was no coincidence IMO. Doesn't make anything safer, just more difficult and expensive.
If there was one thing that could be improved about the EE it would be the method of posting pics. The easy way is for paid memberships only. And maybe if posters would read about how to edit their ad properly for removal. Maybe should be a requirement for access to the EE.
 
It cost only a few buck to access the pictures features on CGN. Just get a membership. It’s cheap and make it very handy to post pictures and bump add. It should be a requirement to support - get a membership to sell on EE.

On another subject..it amazes me to see gun offered at 3-4 + k with no pictures..
 
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I'm a member of a number of different forums, and a moderator on one of those. All of them have some version of the EE, and they all seem to have the same pattern.

People list things, but the question is why? If you want it to sell, the key is to have the right price. If it aint selling, then your price is too high.

The problem with forums though is that they are full of people with a passion for that forum's interest. When you have a passion for something, you will naturally value it more than the average person will. It's that passion that makes us think our crap is worth more than it really is, and so we list the price way too high. When it doesn't sell, we blame the crowd - a bunch of idiots who don't know value! We say.

Across the board I always use the rule of thumb that any used item is only worth 1/2 of the new price - the price if you bought it new. Then you can adjust up or down a little based on condition. So a used item that is truly in mint condition - list that for about 60% of the new price. If it's used and in decent condition, Keep it right at 50%. If it's used and looks like it, better drop to 40-45%.

Often people balk at that rule of thumb. They get all indignant and offended, upset that I would suggest that they should sell their precious mint condition used thingamabob for only 60% of the new price, when they had in fact intended to list it for 90% of the new price and try to seal that deal by boasting you could "save the tax!" . They get mad at me for suggesting the lower price, but a month later when their item still hasn't sold, sometimes they get the message then.

I've almost always followed that rule of thumb, and everytime I have i've sold the item the same day.

I have a high quality impact driver for sale right now that I won in a contest. It's brand new, never been used, still in the box, so I thought I might be able to list it for more. So I actually did list for 90% of the new price and boasted that they could "save the tax" ! Fat lot of good it did, i've had that listing up for a month and not had a single bite!

When buying used, you have more risk. If I buy new from the store, and something goes wrong, I can return to the store and get it made right. No such luck with used sales, so when you buy used you necessarily take on all that risk. That risk is what makes the item worth only half of the new price.

One last thought: on the forum I moderate, we don't delete the sold listings. We just add "sold" to the end of the title, and close the thread. That way all those sold threads remain as a record of what items actually sold and how much they sold for. If I go to list an item, I can first do a search and see how many items like mine have sold in the past and what they sold for, and that gives you a real helpful idea of what I could list mine for.

maybe on new sporting rifles, but i highly doubt it. let me know when you are letting your newer rifle go for 50% off. as for milsurps, no way...
 
You have no idea what they sold for. The asking price maybe but most guys just overwrite spf over the price because it’s none of anyone else’s business what the asking price was once it’s gone.

You're right - we would only know the original asking price. If any bargaining happened, we wouldn't know that.
But knowing the original asking price of an item that successfully sold is still helpful and is certainly a lot better than having "no idea" .

Bargaining doesn't always happen (i'd say around 3/4 of the things i've sold have sold for full asking price), but even if it does, the original asking price still tells us what a successful starting point was.

I once saw a guy selling a set of tenon cutters. They would sell for about $500 new, and his looked used. I would have paid around $200. This guy was actually listing them for $600!

(To be fair to him, he didn't realise that the full set was available for $500, he had added up the list price of each cutter individually and got $750, so he figured $600 was a good deal).

But either way, I didn't even bother messaging him and even trying to negotiate, because his starting point was so far off from what I would be willing to pay. I don't know if that guy ever found a buyer or not, I doubt it, but my point is that bargaining can't even happen unless you have a good starting point, and so knowing the original list price of a sold item can still tell us what that good starting point was.
 
maybe on new sporting rifles, but i highly doubt it. let me know when you are letting your newer rifle go for 50% off. as for milsurps, no way...

Well, there's a real easy way to tell if i'm right or not: list your item at your price, and see if it sells. If it does, then congratulations, you were right. And it might sell - I could be wrong. I doubt it though.
 
Asking prices are crazy, just a few years ago you could get a decent model 70 or 77mk2 for 650 now everyone is asking 1k
 
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