9.3x62 vs the rest

hello no i havent and never will ... for 2 reasons first in my test they did not do good and second after witnessing a nice bison bull taking 6 shots from a 375 and 260 accubonds and needed a shot from another 375 to be down i thought they were not for me. they are called by some accubomb for a reason ...and the shots were where they should be so the placement was not the issue bullet quality was ...

Interesting, as the large bison bull that I shot at 200 yards with my 376 Steyr and the 260 gr AccuBond (2632 fps out of my 21" barrel) died quickly after moving off 5 yards laying down, raised his head once, and was done. Bullet fully penetrated so as not recovered. Good tissue/bone/vitals damage and minimal bloodshot meat. The bull was shot after my hunting partner shot a cow at 100 yards with his 358 Win and 225 gr TSX bullet (IIRC). I made the finishing shot on the cow from my position, as she ran 100 yards and lay down, and he did not have a follow up shot with the herd surrounding her. His broadside shot hit above the lungs and below the spine. She was laying quartering to when I shot her with the 376. The 260 gr AB penetrated over 30" and was recovered in the right rear hip. Expansion was over double and weight retention was 95%. The bull bison gave the shot opportunity after ensuring that the cow had been dispatched to end its suffering.

The reduced velocity with this bullet from the Steyr may have had its part in the bullet performance, compared to one fired from a 375 H&H and a higher velocity. This is why the Steyr was developed, as many PH's in Africa have reported using softs downloaded for better penetration and limited expansion when compared to full velocity loads on dangerous game, for their first shots, then following up with full velocity solids.

I can say that my first bison was taken in '92 with a 300 Win Mag using 180 gr Nosler Partitions. The first shot was at 120 yards from a steep uphill position that broke the front shoulder and put him down in the front end on his nose. The bullet actually split in two and continued to penetrate in different directions; one going back into the vitals and the other kept on through to the off shoulder. That bull then ran down the mountain, and I followed taking shots when given the proper opportunity. In the end, I used all 9 rounds I had with me on the stalk, with many of the bullets recovered, with good penetration and expansion in the vitals, and a couple of broadside lung shots that fully penetrated. My hunting partner finished him off with 2 shots behind the ear, finally hitting the spine at the base of the skull and finishing him. That bull was huge and was easily more than 2500 pounds on the hoof. He definitely had a will to live! Another bull I harvested with the 338 Win MAg a number of years later laid down after the first broadside hit in the vitals with the 210 gr Partition, and a spine shot below the ear finished him. Interestingly, that bullet centered the spine, turned up through the skull, coming out the forehead slightly above and centered from the left eye.

Goes to show that every animal has its own personality and tenacity of life...and that a one-of experience should not be used to judge a bullet's overall performance. Too many variable for accurate comparisons. Judgements should be reserved for after multiple harvests of multitudes of animals, of various species, genders, and body sizes before making final or absolute judgements.

In the end, bullet placement is a very important consideration.
 
I have used 225 grain accubonds extensively in .338 RUM and shot big stuff at all kinds of ranges and have never had one grenade on me. In fact, I put two into the raking south side of a northbound bull elk at about 220 paces and recovered only one . The first penetrated over 48" and exited out the front shoulder. The second was caught by the hide with a perfect mushroom - albeit turned almost inside out - but still intact. That load was chronied at an honest 3150 fps too. That was more impetus for trying the 250 grain Accubonds in the 9.3. CFE223 easily is launching them 2600+ fps with almost boring accuracy. I would try them on anything on this side of the pond.
 
Goes to show that every animal has its own personality and tenacity of life...and that a one-of experience should not be used to judge a bullet's overall performance. Too many variable for accurate comparisons. Judgements should be reserved for after multiple harvests of multitudes of animals, of various species, genders, and body sizes before making final or absolute judgements.

In the end, bullet placement is a very important consideration.

while i cannot discuss the last paragraph you cannot deny that few tests (not only by me) are providing me ample reasons to not use the accubond in 9.3x62 ... i found better bullet for the penetration and the cohesion. cannot wait to hear about your own feedback on other bullets in 9.3x62.
 
It surprises me to hear all the "Accubomb" comments.
I've had great success with the 180gr out of a .300winmag on a number of moose.
Never have I seen any evidence of them fragmenting or coming apart.

I have loaded the 250gr Accubond for the 9.3x62, but admittedly have only killed one whitetail buck and one wolf with that load.
Both were broadside through the ribs at relatively close range, so of course no true test of that particular bullet and load.
 
The 9.3x62 gets rave reviews around the globe as hard hitting medium bore. Our very own Ted calls it “a 375 that holds 5 down”.

I own one, but I’ve yet to fire it in anger. I’m posing this question to people who have used them for extensively….are you gaining anything over a 30-06 with 200 or 220 partitions? Have you noticed a real world difference in effect on big game?

I realize the 06 might be light for the outlier bison, just looking to rationalize the extra guns and components in the cabinet.

Real world experience please, if I want ballistic bs I’ll Google ron spomer

Definitely an improvement on big game compared to a 30-06. Moose and elk seem to go down faster. - dan
 
I wouldn't fire my 9.3x62 in anger, I'm always happy when I'm hunting ;-) But i have used mine to kill a really really big critter. A giraffe in Namibia. They weigh almost double what a cape buffalo does. Their bones are super dense, and their hide is unbelievably thick - thicker than my hand in places. Most authorities say you should only use solids for chest shots, since "normal" bullets from "normal" rifles don't have enough penetration. A 285 gr. Norma Oryx did the job, penetrating the chest and coming to rest under the far side scapula. I can't say for sure because I had no way to compare, but based on my experience with a .30-06 I doubt a 220 partition would have fully penetrated even one lung of that beast. I like my 9.3!

And they taste great. - dan
 
It surprises me to hear all the "Accubomb" comments.
I've had great success with the 180gr out of a .300winmag on a number of moose.
Never have I seen any evidence of them fragmenting or coming apart.

I have loaded the 250gr Accubond for the 9.3x62, but admittedly have only killed one whitetail buck and one wolf with that load.
Both were broadside through the ribs at relatively close range, so of course no true test of that particular bullet and load.

No one was more surprised than I was when I saw it happen with the 9.3, especially when the Speer 270gr and the PPU 285 cup and cores did so well.

I am wondering if there was a bad batch of Accubonds? There were definitely a lot that were losing the white plastic points.

Ted
 
Lot of people I have a lot of respect for, have a lot of respect for the 9.3x62.

Guided a lot of neat guns on the wild coast over the years. This was the neatest, 9.3x62 and belongs to a good member here on a grizz hunt.

Always been curious… but always have been a .375 guy, I don’t think there’s much difference practically.

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No one was more surprised than I was when I saw it happen with the 9.3, especially when the Speer 270gr and the PPU 285 cup and cores did so well.

I am wondering if there was a bad batch of Accubonds? There were definitely a lot that were losing the white plastic points.

Ted

i do not think it is a bad batch it is the way the bullet is designed and some have higher expectations because of the name. from high to very low speed the same outcome and not only from the .366 bullets. only 2 companies were not interested in the results of the bullets: hornady that changed the gmx to the cx or ecx depending of the market and nosler that did not even reply. in both cases i did not ask for replacement of bullet just a constatation of the lack of the cohesion or the issue of tumbling into just water ...

the tests we did are only indicator but remember Ted we saw a few surprises and some were good ...
 
Lot of people I have a lot of respect for, have a lot of respect for the 9.3x62.

Guided a lot of neat guns on the wild coast over the years. This was the neatest, 9.3x62 and belongs to a good member here on a grizz hunt.

Always been curious… but always have been a .375 guy, I don’t think there’s much difference practically.

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nice rifle and great scope. how did the scope survived the rain forest? my last sb did not survive the last rain we had in france, french distributor cannot fix it, luckily in germany they did it: i sold when she came back from service.
 
During the time I carried my 375 rum, more Deer were shot than Moose. Good shots kill quickly, and waste little meat. Impressive performance on the giraffe, I'm sure it will do for Bison just fine. As in just like a 375 h$h, or 338wm, like other large game there's the possibility of encountering say 1% were you want a crew served weapon.

Have never owned one. From descriptions it seems like a caliber that kills beyond expectations. My guess is it's more shootable than some other large game rounds. So people probably shoot it more accurately.

Having post...post to read some of the above posts. My rum load is a 260 partition at 3050. Never needed a second shot, never recovered a bullet.
 
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I have picked up 5 boxes of the Hornady International ammo loaded with the 250 gr ECX bullet, and have also picked up two boxes of these bullets for reloading too.
Looking forward to seeing how it shoots in my Sako this year, and shooting some game with it.
I have also acquired 4 boxes of 9.3 Swift 250 gr A-Frames and am looking forward to developing a load with this bullet too. Will definitely get the call for dg if I get the chance to hunt buffalo in Africa.

As for the AccuBombs...I have not experienced or witnessed this first hand. In the first couple of years after they came out, I did find a few bullets, both in factory ammo and component bullets where the tip was inserted backwards, broken, or missing completely. I shot them for practice, with no discernable change in poi at 100 yards. Definitely did not want to hunt with them, but a total of 5 or 6 isn't all that many in the hundreds of bullets and cartridges that I found these in. I have used the AccuBonds in calibers .264 to .375 and cartridges from 6.5x55 to 376 Steyr so far (and I have 100 rounds+ for every cartridge/rifle combo I own that I am shooting AB in; 6.5 CM, 6.5x55, 280 Rem, 7MM-08, 7MM STW, 300 WSM, 338 Federal, 9.3x63 and 376 Steyr, plus will be loading in my 6.5 PRC and 358 Win being built and still working up a load with the 110 gr in the 250AI, plus past rifles owned in 6.5x284 Norma, 270 Win, 270 WSM and 270 Wby), and taken many animals (30+) from antelope to bison, without and failure to date since this bullet was introduced. And I have not just used these bullets on the smaller species of big game, having used them quite a bit in elk and moose, and bison to date. While not as much experience as some, I think I have more experience with this bullet than others. Still my favourite all around bullet; as it has consistently proven reliable, accurate, and easy to work uploads with.

Not saying that there may have been bad runs/batches, as it can happen to any bullet manufacturer, and as the few faulty bullets found show that there has been QC issues from both the ammo manufacturer and Nosler. Also not saying that there have been people who have had bad experiences either. I am just saying that I have not experienced or witnessed it firsthand myself in the 20 + years since this bullet was introduced.
 
I did use the AccuBond 250 (and still do) on moose and smaller games and they always worked well even against less body mass (whitetail and black bear). Never recovered a single 9.3 bullet.
Anthony shot a polar bear with a 9.3x57 using a AB @ 2200 fps and it never needed another shot.
The only bullet I had expansion problem with is the Barnes 250 TSX on more than one occasion, especially on black bear, it just went through the rib cage without expanding at all @ 65 feet of distance.
The 270 Speer is also a favourite of mine and the one I used the most for moose hunting.
 
I did use the AccuBond 250 (and still do) on moose and smaller games and they always worked well even against less body mass (whitetail and black bear). Never recovered a single 9.3 bullet.
Anthony shot a polar bear with a 9.3x57 using a AB @ 2200 fps and it never needed another shot.
The only bullet I had expansion problem with is the Barnes 250 TSX on more than one occasion, especially on black bear, it just went through the rib cage without expanding at all @ 65 feet of distance.
The 270 Speer is also a favourite of mine and the one I used the most for moose hunting.

Great info there. Thanks! Any leads on where a guy can find the Speer bullets?
 
i wish we can avoid personal attacks but i do know im dreaming ... off topic is well made for that ...

It usually seems to distill down to a six stage process. I’m stuck on my ascent through it presently, bit of an accepting I have a problem phase.

1. I haven’t done it, but I’m sure I know what happens when one does, and feel I have alternate applicable experience.

2. I have done it a bit, and haven’t yet tired of explaining what was learned and will happily engage in interpolation.

3. I have done it a lot, and can be spurned into saying the same things again with sufficient incurred irritation.

4. I have done it enough it’s taken a toll on my life, and will be spurned into full blown personality conflicts and bans.

5. I have done it and only want to share what will help you do it too, and say “Sounds like a thought!” when we disagree.

6. You do you, I’ll be outside.
 
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