Farris Bueller
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Maybe all gun owners should claim to be non-binary and say the government is targeting us for other reasons. Lol it might work
CSAAA Resignation, Ryan Harriman
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What does the Act under which the society was created say? That's how you find out how the Board and Excecutive of a registered society is supposed to work, at least before the standard Constitution and Bylaws are modified at a General Meeting.
An "NDA about board meetings"? Oh really? Does this society have an annual general meeting? Does it have monthly Board meetings? Are there minutes, an agenda and are Robert's Rules of Order followed during meetings?
But then after the NFA farce and Captain Klingon there nothing would surprise me about these cliques.
Milanczar
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Wes has confessed that for months he has worked to be the ringleader of the confiscation scheme
and now a ally of Jagmeet, Trudeau and the Bloc and their war against the community.
He sold them and now he wants to double dip and profit on your tax dollars.
Remember everyone
There is a google review function where you can leave a rating and your opinion of Elwood Epps to warn others who may not be aware
who they are dealing with.
Milanczar
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False
The amount of money involved for each dealer is not going to save them if they are not profitable.
If they were profitable the frozen inventory would not be a problem.
They are facing bankruptcy and WILL GO BANKRUPT regardless of any payout because they are small businesses that are undercapitalized and the result of the ban and the handgun ban
automatically reduces their business volume so they cannot survive in any future.
They can see the writing on the wall with the future bans AND the Trudeau driven recession and inflation and green tax fuel increases which will never end.
This is just a scheme so they can cry and get sympathy while they cash out and close up shop and sell out to the bigger businesses and so those businesses can facilitate the take over.
Further their situation is a result of their own greed and bad business practices.
They knew since May 19 2019 when it was leaked that the Trudeau government was going to impose and OIC and deliberately chose to stockpile inventory instead of moving to an order system.
Trudeau directly announced the intent of his government to implement a future ban on September 20th 2019.
And they kept importing and stockpiling inventory and deliberately chose to play russian roulette with their businesses.
They do not deserve to get bailed out on our dollar when they are going to close up shop or will be forced to after they have stabbed the community and helped destroy it.
Do not fall for the Crocodile tears.
The amount of money involved is not going to save anybody's business.
If they are not profitable now. They will not be profitable after their 30 pieces of silver run out.
I’m wondering what the specifics of the arrangement actually were and just how much inventory there actually was. What exactly did these creeps give/promise and what exactly was given/promised ?
——-> With respect, every dealer worth its salt knows precisely what it has in stock, as well as the cost.
All the filthy Liberals had to do was create an online portal thru which vendors wishing to participate in the confiscation program could upload their invoices, sit back, and wait for a check.
But!! The filthy Liberals needed its #UsefulIdiot…and, the essentially useless and woefully incompetent CSAAA needed to establish relevance. And, satisfy its greed.
Congrats to both the filthy Liberals and the CSAAA, for having attained their respective goals.
All the filthy Liberals had to do was create an online portal thru which vendors wishing to participate in the confiscation program could upload their invoices, sit back, and wait for a check.
But!! The filthy Liberals needed its #UsefulIdiot…and, the essentially useless and woefully incompetent CSAAA needed to establish relevance. And, satisfy its greed.
Congrats to both the filthy Liberals and the CSAAA, for having attained their respective goals.
Milanczar
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Excellent.
Run and buy one of the failing stores that somehow is not seeing that happening right now......cause it ain't happening.
People worrying about buying food and fuel as the Green Tax which is the real cause of the inflation and why it will not stop in this country will
ensure as fuel is an automatic component of any goods or services and people have come to realize that they will not be able to afford to live in the future.
I beg to differ, with the nail being driven into sport shooting community. How many choices will there be? If I stand to loose a couple dozens firearms do you really think I’m going to go buy dozens more? Sport shooting is what keeps these dealers going. I mean, how many hunting rifles and shotguns does a guy really need? I have and always will prefer semi auto’s. If I do come across something I want to pull the trigger on I can guarantee that I’ll be looking for any affiliation with the CSAAA and if there is one, I’ll go elsewhere. This is the typical case of eastern Canada choosing for everyone…….
I agree. Most dealers made an absolute killing selling potentially banned models. The firearms community would have helped subsidize anyone in real trouble. Collaborating with the government and profiting doesn’t pass the sniff test at all.
Sorry Ryan, you persona non grata with me. Never will you see a cent of mine again.
Helping the liberal government in any way, shape or form with this confiscation is crossing the line imo. I feel for the businesses in this situation, but helping the government in any way at all is contributing to your own demise. Let them flail and try to figure it all out themselves, if the businesses just waited it out they'll probably be able to move inventory incredibly quickly when a CPC government comes in and makes the whole confiscation moot. I still don't think it's ever going to happen, but helping the government in any way will make it easier for them and help hasten it along.
This is exactly it. It is not a matter of simply shifting preferences from one type of firearm to another. The dynamics are not as simple as that. There is also the human psychological element, the risk/reward calculation that is inherent in decision making in general, but couple that with our current economic challenges and social pressures which are not in favour to the gun community. The social and political climate is not exactly conducive to shouldering further (financial risk) for many, unless one has extremely deep pockets or has no other commitments such as family, finances and what not.
This is hardly scientific, but from my own experiences in buying stuff on the secondary market, here on this site and elsewhere, I have noticed a very generalized sense of discouragement amongst many in the past few years. There are more than a few people who are selling their firearms and ammunition and getting out of sport shooting all together, even though selection wise, there are plenty of alternatives available. Even looking at the threads posted regularly on CGN from people asking "will this get banned?" and "should I buy this in case it gets banned?" - there is a certain degree of cautiousness, if not total fear that is causing people to think twice before dropping more money on other firearms. This is not all just merely the government driving this, but also socio-economic factors such as inflation that has caused many people to re-prioritize their spending. It certainly does not help that we have a weasel-ly government that treats us like we are the problem. Sure, it is easy to say "from my cold dead hands", but not so easy when you have young kids and a spouse to feed and clothe, and increased living costs just to keep oneself afloat.
Herein lies the other problem, which is probably much more insidious. I don't think that the government will actually need to resort to door to door confiscations to achieve their goals of reducing / eliminating firearms ownership. Just looking at the whole covid thing, all they need to do is instill fear in people, to do things like freeze your bank accounts, mandate this and that - otherwise you can't do this and that. Choking the supply chain can easily achieve their means, and through which they can adversely psychologically attack people. Now that the CSAAA has gotten into bed with them, this is probably the worst outcome - using gun industry groups to help them try to achieve their means. For me, I see the CSAAA's decision as an act of betrayal and a slap in the face for those who have tried to weather the storm against a hostile government.
I applaud Ryan and the other board members for taking a stand and disassociating with the CSAAA. If you have ever been on a board, you'll realize most of the power lies in the executive...that doesn't matter if is a non-profit charity, a gun club, a church, or a publicly traded corporation. People, of course, have decisions they need to make in terms of whether their values align with the board's in general, but it is quite possible that a board can make a decision primarily driven by the executive, for which the rest of the board members may not be cognizant of all the nuances of the decision. Seems like that is what has happened here.
Lets face it. Now that handgun/AR 15 port shooters are of no value value to CSAAA members, they have decided to side with government to get what they can. Do you really think handgun/AR15 inventories amount to much for the typical gunstore? They will get their money for orphaned goods back sooner or later. Why give government a win just to get reimbursed a bit quicker? Give me a break. Fact is that sales from the typical CGNer amount to squat. Government is a better deal... Resigning from the CSAAA board does what exactly? Why not stay and fight to tell government to stick it.. Of course not...
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We all have a lot to lose not just the dealers
if that was not your intent then why make a deal with the devil ?
The other thing we are forgetting, is that I don't know a single dealer that was stuck with even one handgun when the frezze hit.
They were selling them faster than they could get transfers done.
The 4 local dealers here sold over 500 guns in 2 days. And they were out of stock weeks before the freeze hit, and most were trying to grab anything they could so they could sell it quick.
So there were not stores with hundreds of handguns that they could not sell when the ban hammer came down, and if they were, they were either lazy, or too dumb to get off there butts and get them listed, or they were trying to gouge guys by charging 2 to 3 times retail prices to un suspecting buyers, and if that is the case, they can suffer.
Now were some stuck with some random stuff on the ban list they were unable to sell? Sure, but this is a total sell out by EPPS and the like, by helping the Liberals in anyway shape or form.
They were selling them faster than they could get transfers done.
The 4 local dealers here sold over 500 guns in 2 days. And they were out of stock weeks before the freeze hit, and most were trying to grab anything they could so they could sell it quick.
So there were not stores with hundreds of handguns that they could not sell when the ban hammer came down, and if they were, they were either lazy, or too dumb to get off there butts and get them listed, or they were trying to gouge guys by charging 2 to 3 times retail prices to un suspecting buyers, and if that is the case, they can suffer.
Now were some stuck with some random stuff on the ban list they were unable to sell? Sure, but this is a total sell out by EPPS and the like, by helping the Liberals in anyway shape or form.
Red flags for sure. A few statements from different players contradict each other.
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