So why are none of us Hunters talking about the 30 x 30 Intiative?

[medvedqc]

^back in Chetwynd eh Slimmy?

I once worked with a guy who believed that the fires (2018 or 2017 fire season) were "caused by Trudeau". All a part of a scheme to force everyone to move to a city (and you know, presumably eat bugs or whatever).

BUM asked a few pages ago about beetle kill. I'd add to the comments by our resident fire fighting heroes; a surplus of "fuel" from beetle kill is a major contributor to runaway fires. So is poor forest management; a lack of spacing leading to dead trees and "monocrops" of pine and other conifers with no belts of deciduous hydrophilic trees like poplars is disastrous when fires grow large (especially pertinent in the boreal like NE BC and NW AB right now).

A prime cause of all this fuel in montane fir/spruce, pine predominant, sub boreal spruce etc is our current and relatively novel policy of fire suppression. As the yahoos have noted, fire can create very biodiversity habitats. The ecosystems of most of North America having been managed with seasonal burning for over ten thousand years.

By suppressing fires we end up with lots of fuel, poor biodiversity and a lack of natural regeneration for pyrophilic species like lodgepoles. Poorly spaced monocrops are planted, average temperatures rise significantly, and you end up with a situation like we are seeing in Tumbler Ridge right now.

Yes, fires can and are sometimes caused by arson. Firefighting is solid good paying seasonal employment in desperate remote communities. This is neither here nor there in terms of how large fires become and how early in the year these fires catch.

Not to mention spruce and fir trees have pests of their own. With ranges expanding further north all the time.

I flew over the area around the nation lakes north of Fort St James a lot around 7-8 years ago. Serious beetle kill had been through the area.

Idyllic northern BC, moose standing on the shores of oxbow streams that would be called rivers anywhere else, 10 lb "dolly vardens" with every cast, you know the deal.

Oh, and if you flew a few minutes to north kms and kms of area that looked like a moonscape with the biggest free range lumber yard of clear cut beetle infested trees you have ever seen. This is what all of BC looks like if this #### continues

When it's 35 degrees in may/June in the cariboo chilcotin and even hotter south of there and the forests are full of fuel there's bound to be some bad results.

There I go, slamming my #### in the drawer

All I know is I look forward to hunting in my electric truck . Once the fires burn down all the forest there will be tons of habitat, I hear moose love it after a burn.

Plus it will be so easy to get around that you can sell me one of yout Montanas and finally start hunting with a heavy barrel Remington 700

Those animals thrive on transitions between habitats and require shelter as well as forage. Mixed forest types are needed for healthy populations. Between fires and forestry management they may become a rarity

When people call BC a banana Republic with bigger bananas the similarities don't stop at relying on one resource. Our natural resource management and for profit crown forestry concern that runs afoul of regulations constantly would be right at home in a graft ridden tin pot dictatorship

I'd ask if you want to bet but judging by your understanding of ecology you are around 90 years old

I have worked in the forestry and other natural resource industries for over a decade, but that probably seems recent to someone in their 80's

you did not follow your own advices lol

 

[conor_90]

Well #### Phil they kept demanding I slam my #### in the drawer, who was I to refuse them?

 

[MiG25]

Went and looked at a multi thousand acre burn from 2016, it's loaded with forage for browsers.

 

[conor_90]

Mea culpa, you are surely correct

We should just build moats around the towns and let the whole thing burn down, BC hunters paradise.

 

[MiG25]

Looks like most areas have burnt in the last 100 years and are due to again. Of course this map doesn't show if the most recent burns were in areas previously burnt since 1920.

Compare the older burns with the best areas to hunt in 1945 and later.

The gross average is 450,000 acres per year. With peaks being many multiples of that and dips being small fractions.

 

[MiG25]

Mea culpa, you are surely correct

We should just build moats around the towns and let the whole thing burn down, BC hunters paradise.

Will there be fire supression in the 30% that is "preserved"? Or no logging and just let 'er rip?

 

[conor_90]

Seasonal burning is increasingly common in protected areas and that would be my preference as an experienced walmart greeter

 

[MiG25]

Seasonal burning is increasingly common in protected areas and that would be my preference as an experienced walmart greeter

If it is being managed, then it is not Wilderness, this should be obvious but apparantly it isn't. Nor is lighting something on fire "protecting" it.

 

[blakeyboy]

Weekly Reminder...

"In case you haven't figured it out yet, the wildfires all across Canada are being coordinated on purpose to help create the illusion of a 'climate crisis'."

"We have no climate crisis, we have a government crisis."

 

[blakeyboy]

Weekly Reminder...

Remember who has the microphone...connect the dots from Weekly Reminder 1 to this, it's obvious...

"We weren't killing people. We weren't hurting others. We weren't lying. We weren't being stupid. We weren't ignoring the actual science.

We were vilified. We were fired from our jobs. We were excluded from society. We were discriminated against. We were mocked. We were blamed. We were thinking critically. WE WERE RIGHT!"

Oh but of course....we will be wrong this time....okydoky then. Have a good week boys. Got my kiddos and best bud out on the weekend and everyone broke their sturginity, everyone now has sturgeon under there belts, few other new species also. We ARE living our best lives, even more so since we found out what was really going on. You're being asked by the world to catch up asap, start connecting them dots fellas, we got this.

 

[blakeyboy]

I agree with preserving habitat and wilderness and wildlife. Something we need to do. No one can disagree. So we're all for the same goal

Yes we love the outdoors, environment and the wildlife way more than the average person. We are on the same side here. But like any house you're planning on taking someone in to take care of them you need to have it healthy and in order first. What we're learning on mass scale globally now that the house of human is not in order and not healthy so all these agenda's are for other reasons than sold to us. We're now seeing how long this has been gong on. Those behind it could care less about the actual environment or animals, they are manipulating us and herding us where they want us for power and control. So we need to fix our house before we can actually do the best stuff based on actual science for the environment and the animals. 30x30 is a joke, it's designed to wrangle us into better position...nothing more.

 

[blakeyboy]

Now that I’m incorporated into the conspiracy theories, I can confirm from the inside it’s as ridiculous as it sounds from the outside.

Protecting wilderness is good for hunters, good for the planet. That’s all there is to this amazing thread in the end. It’s been a ride.

Keep mocking the conspiracy theories and trying to paint with that broad brush but you'll keep being wrong. That's the true end to this amazing thread lol. It's the theories that all keep proving true and actual conspiracies. You're going to have a particularly hard time with all this when it finally hits home. Don't worry though, we won't be programmed to ridicule, hate, and exclude you...we know what's going on, doing all we can to give you the tools to break that spell and catch up. Take a minute to think about that...think for one minute 'what if I'm gonna end up on the wrong side of this again?'...try to drop the ego, cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias for one single minute to ask yourself for real that very question. You have to start somewhere and it's 100% internal, you have 100% do this yourself. You're spinning your wheels doing same thing over and over while everyone else is starting to break the spell and get to the same place....don't be late to the dance. It's important you try to take in every single bit of info with humility that you can at this point in history...try to see where this is headed.

 

[conor_90]

If it is being managed, then it is not Wilderness, this should be obvious but apparantly it isn't. Nor is lighting something on fire "protecting" it.

are you autistic? All the "wilderness" in North (and South) America was managed by seasonal burning for over ten thousand years. If "lighting stuff on fire" isn't protecting it than you must really hate fuel reduction.

 

[RRCo.]

quoted for the future you guys have a huge selfesteem ... thinking you re king lol and you can decide all alone ... it s coming as i said and wont like as well ...

Just out of curiosity, what exactly were you trying to say there?

"it s coming" Which of the coming things did you have in mind?

 

[Ardent]

A future without wilderness, or at least when what’s left becomes inaccessible to the vast majority, and what’s left becomes more and more marginal. Part of the problem is few spend significant time in wilderness anymore anyhow, hunting’s becoming black bears on logging roads, or deer in cut blocks for many.

Everyone should do a month straight afield regularly, all the conspiracy garbage becomes meaningless, and real life happens.

 

[Shovel]

Yes we love the outdoors, environment and the wildlife way more than the average person. We are on the same side here. But like any house you're planning on taking someone in to take care of them you need to have it healthy and in order first. What we're learning on mass scale globally now that the house of human is not in order and not healthy so all these agenda's are for other reasons than sold to us. We're now seeing how long this has been gong on. Those behind it could care less about the actual environment or animals, they are manipulating us and herding us where they want us for power and control. So we need to fix our house before we can actually do the best stuff based on actual science for the environment and the animals. 30x30 is a joke, it's designed to wrangle us into better position...nothing more.

the house being the government. Totally agree. Trudo has no real interest in the environment Im pretty sure. I don't think he knows where the environment is

 

[MiG25]

are you autistic? All the "wilderness" in North (and South) America was managed by seasonal burning for over ten thousand years. If "lighting stuff on fire" isn't protecting it than you must really hate fuel reduction.

By definition it isn't Wilderness if people are managing it as a sort of Garden.

 

[medvedqc]

A future without wilderness, or at least when what’s left becomes inaccessible to the vast majority, and what’s left becomes more and more marginal. Part of the problem is few spend significant time in wilderness anymore anyhow, hunting’s becoming black bears on logging roads, or deer in cut blocks for many.

Everyone should do a month straight afield regularly, all the conspiracy garbage becomes meaningless, and real life happens.

i wil say and add for some just seeing the floatplane leaving them without able to return back to civilization for a week might be a challenging experience ... hearing the wolves under a northern light may open the eyes and heart as well on the need of the wild ...

 

[RRCo.]

When the micro is all-consuming or at least fills all the senses, it is certainly easy to lose track of the macro if one wishes to.

Many people have gone into the wilderness for exactly that purpose, but gone are the days when people could head into the wilderness and disappear, not to be found for decades, like the Old Believers who moved into the wilds of Siberia to escape the Communist regime and were not discovered until the 1950s.

Breaks from reality are nice, but it's still there when we come back.

 

[conor_90]

By definition it isn't Wilderness if people are managing it as a sort of Garden.

You can just say yes