So why are none of us Hunters talking about the 30 x 30 Intiative?

Yep, doesn’t have to be a month, just do what you can afford and don’t worry if it takes me a month, wherever I go I like to make it long. Been lucky to on a few continents, and each trip the state isn’t improving wherever I go.

All the places, Amazon, Africa, the coastal rainforest already aren’t the places they were when I first saw them. That’s deeply worrisome. Time in nature is proven to help folks psychologically, and every time I do a stretch it resets what matters. Just get out there, it can be close to home. I suspect many of the guys rallying against protecting wilderness, see little of it anymore. Gravel roads and cut blocks don’t cut it.

A member I respect here recently mentioned he hunts sheep as he needs the reason to leave the phone behind and go chase the ether. Those are half my words based on his thoughts, I paraphrase, I get it 100%. Many of us grew up reading O’Connor, Corbett, Bell, Patterson, even Taylor and Capstick. The wilderness around the world those guys chased and lived in and for would be a sad version of its former self if they could see it.

It doesn’t make a ####ing difference if you think climate change is a hoax, protecting wild spaces is a win and a mighty necessary one. We live in a world losing its mind when hunters rally against it over whose politics it is.

As for blakey, your ramblings are bizarre and off kilter to me and I can rarely get past the first few sentences before it becomes incongruous and strange. But I wish everyone here well even if we don’t see eye to eye or get each other, and would like to see it stay above insults.
 
What raises my eyebrow isn’t one guy with some bizarre detachments from reality in his construct. It’s the smattering of others who reveal parallels in their views who you would otherwise think were largely sensible. And I don’t mean one’s views on climate change, we’re all entitled to our opinion. I mean when #### gets ####ing strange.
 
Lol, no relation Conor, we've been over this before, you've been chomping at the bit to play armchair diagnosis psychologist again lol. Sadly you have the past 3 years in the rearview mirror to try and ignore but trying to assume anyone who happened to be right during that time is this, that, or the other eh? Good old attack the messenger when the message becomes too much to consider. Told you before, that's an obvious tactic and no longer works. Those who were right through this are a much larger percentage of the population than you think so you have to apply those hilarious diagnosis to a good portion of the people now. And that number just keeps growing. Good luck with continuing to be wrong.

You cannot think, you have strong emotional reactions to subjects and can't even explain why you might feel that way about a subject, person or group, that you know nothing about. The reason is your mind was taken and you have no idea how that is possible let alone that it is possible. They tell you what to think and how to feel about everything and you do it. The proof is right there in front of you, a group was correct about the last 3 years and was doing the right thing for humanity and yet you still can't even mention the subject let alone say sorry or my goodness how did I get that wrong? You still are feeling and acting exactly how they want you to feel and act and you have no idea why or how.

Getting out of a cult is 99% do it yourself, 1% help from the outside world doing their level best to get you to go dig into these things yourself. That's how you get out of it btw. By digging into these topics yourself, yet you're programmed to mock 'doing your own research' lol. Well, how else to get to the bottom of these subjects and learn every aspect possible? In doing so you will end up where the 3 million Canadians who visited Ottawa this winter ended up and the countless other Canadians that supported them along the way. Doing the right thing for humanity. You still feel like your part of the majority and so will continue to believe the irrational for that comfort. That majority you think you're apart of due to the microphone isn't nearly as big as you think it is. This is going to be a hard landing for some of you here.

Or stay programmed to dismiss, ridicule and even hate those who were right and doing what they could against the powerful microphone the whole time. You have 3 years now to look back on to start asking questions. It's easy to see the majority are the ones most easily programmed to the microphone...the microphone just lied to you for 3 years and turned you against the group that had it right and was fighting for you. Figure it out. But you keep doing the same thing over and over, pointing the finger, gaslighting, when it's the mirror you're doing that too. You need to look within now and figure out how you were manipulated like that. It should be infuriating to you to have been played like that and turned against others. Well the microphone hasn't changed, it just moves you right into the next thing and you parrot it, you don't know how or why but you do. I'm giving you all the tools and telling you how hard it is to break free of this. The journey to the truth is the heaviest load most from our generation will ever carry.

So Conor goes extreme end of ridicule with the armchair psychology. Ardent has a different tact, super polite, dismissive and steers things off into the ditch to deflect. Big Ugly goes into strong arm defensive tactics when reality is challenged. Medvec rotates through several different methods. But all the same thing, avoiding the facts that a group was right the past 3 years and still feeling a certain way about them and no idea why. Well I'm telling you why, I hope your listening. Someone has divided us like this, find out who, find why. We are on the same team. You shouldn't feel how you feel about the group that had it right the past 3 years...so there's something behind it, figure out what it is.

The power of this is reminding me of the frog and the scorpion. It's not instinctual though, think of it as a metaphor for the psychological power at play here in place of the instinctual actions of the scorpion.

Don't keep attacking the messengers. Should be clear by now that you are programmed to do that. Dig into the message now, as scary as that may seem, grab the courage and do it. You will be glad you did when you get to the other side. And so many are now doing this, the volume is only accelerating the past 3-8 years. The truth is becoming self evident now.

The people who were right about the last 3 years are also right about 30x30 so should be time to pay attention and figure out why.
 
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yeah yeah Ardent, it's interesting to see the varying reactions from certain players here when reality really gets challenged, nothing new however, everyone has their 'go to'

it's gone this far and had to get this deep because if conversation is allowed, and here it has been, then we get to really hammer it out and get to the bottom of it, including the psychological levels of the manufactured divides among us and more, including the truth about the power of the microphone and who owns the microphone, and more...it's all good stuff, but your 30x30 initiative is fully exposed now, it's bad for us and part of an agenda by people who work against humanity, repeat of most of our lives, all exposed now, you don't have believe it, don't care...the truth is going to continue to steamroll those still under the influence of the microphone, the messengers will continue to crash down all around you, you can keep trying to swat those flies but you can see the writing on the wall by now...this only goes one direction, not yours
 
Hey Angus, it's "your 30x30" initiative now and, apparently, it is a part of an agenda against humanity. Not by the machines, which would make sense, but by other humans who, I guess, aren't a part of humanity.
 
after all this you still want to trust the government eh?

the entire point of the past 3-8 years has been to get everyone to raise their eyebrows and start figuring it out, some way further ahead than others, not hard to see on this thread where we're at on the scale

more slings and arrows please, this is what it's all about, despite your reluctance to acknowledge anything there will be little seeds planted that hopefully you start watering at some point, but this discussion really wasn't for you few hold outs anyway, it was for those who read and process on their own, not the ones posting, you're contributions have been valuable to show the full spectrum of what's at play, tragically for a few of you though, it's gonna be a rough landing
 
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Hey Angus, it's "your 30x30" initiative now and, apparently, it is a part of an agenda against humanity. Not by the machines, which would make sense, but by other humans who, I guess, aren't a part of humanity.
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I just take solace in the fact if their theories were at all correct, whoever or whatever’s supposed to be running #### would have smited them already.

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Saving wilderness is a good thing. Trusting the government (any government, really) to do it, and in such a way that benefits the majority of us, is not. - dan
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Who do you propose does it? Unfortunately every area I’ve seen preserved has been managed by the government. The track record of business and individuals on protecting and preserving wilderness is… spotty to put it softly.
 
blakeyboy said:
Lol, no relation Conor, we've been over this before, you've been chomping at the bit to play armchair diagnosis psychologist again lol. Sadly you have the past 3 years in the rearview mirror to try and ignore but trying to assume anyone who happened to be right during that time is this, that, or the other eh? Good old attack the messenger when the message becomes too much to consider. Told you before, that's an obvious tactic and no longer works. Those who were right through this are a much larger percentage of the population than you think so you have to apply those hilarious diagnosis to a good portion of the people now. And that number just keeps growing. Good luck with continuing to be wrong.

You cannot think, you have strong emotional reactions to subjects and can't even explain why you might feel that way about a subject, person or group, that you know nothing about. The reason is your mind was taken and you have no idea how that is possible let alone that it is possible. They tell you what to think and how to feel about everything and you do it. The proof is right there in front of you, a group was correct about the last 3 years and was doing the right thing for humanity and yet you still can't even mention the subject let alone say sorry or my goodness how did I get that wrong? You still are feeling and acting exactly how they want you to feel and act and you have no idea why or how.

Getting out of a cult is 99% do it yourself, 1% help from the outside world doing their level best to get you to go dig into these things yourself. That's how you get out of it btw. By digging into these topics yourself, yet you're programmed to mock 'doing your own research' lol. Well, how else to get to the bottom of these subjects and learn every aspect possible? In doing so you will end up where the 3 million Canadians who visited Ottawa this winter ended up and the countless other Canadians that supported them along the way. Doing the right thing for humanity. You still feel like your part of the majority and so will continue to believe the irrational for that comfort. That majority you think you're apart of due to the microphone isn't nearly as big as you think it is. This is going to be a hard landing for some of you here.

Or stay programmed to dismiss, ridicule and even hate those who were right and doing what they could against the powerful microphone the whole time. You have 3 years now to look back on to start asking questions. It's easy to see the majority are the ones most easily programmed to the microphone...the microphone just lied to you for 3 years and turned you against the group that had it right and was fighting for you. Figure it out. But you keep doing the same thing over and over, pointing the finger, gaslighting, when it's the mirror you're doing that too. You need to look within now and figure out how you were manipulated like that. It should be infuriating to you to have been played like that and turned against others. Well the microphone hasn't changed, it just moves you right into the next thing and you parrot it, you don't know how or why but you do. I'm giving you all the tools and telling you how hard it is to break free of this. The journey to the truth is the heaviest load most from our generation will ever carry.

So Conor goes extreme end of ridicule with the armchair psychology. Ardent has a different tact, super polite, dismissive and steers things off into the ditch to deflect. Big Ugly goes into strong arm defensive tactics when reality is challenged. Medvec rotates through several different methods. But all the same thing, avoiding the facts that a group was right the past 3 years and still feeling a certain way about them and no idea why. Well I'm telling you why, I hope your listening. Someone has divided us like this, find out who, find why. We are on the same team. You shouldn't feel how you feel about the group that had it right the past 3 years...so there's something behind it, figure out what it is.

The power of this is reminding me of the frog and the scorpion. It's not instinctual though, think of it as a metaphor for the psychological power at play here in place of the instinctual actions of the scorpion.

Don't keep attacking the messengers. Should be clear by now that you are programmed to do that. Dig into the message now, as scary as that may seem, grab the courage and do it. You will be glad you did when you get to the other side. And so many are now doing this, the volume is only accelerating the past 3-8 years. The truth is becoming self evident now.

The people who were right about the last 3 years are also right about 30x30 so should be time to pay attention and figure out why.
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you re not the new messiah and if you re only worried about what happened from the last 8 years you might got some bad surprises, liberals bad conservatives good lol ... very simple mind i will say.
 
Ardent said:
A member I respect here recently mentioned he hunts sheep as he needs the reason to leave the phone behind and go chase the ether. Those are half my words based on his thoughts, I paraphrase, I get it 100%. Many of us grew up reading O’Connor, Corbett, Bell, Patterson, even Taylor and Capstick. The wilderness around the world those guys chased and lived in and for would be a sad version of its former self if they could see it.
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Looking at my copies of sheep hunting books from Jack Ondrack, Jack O'Conner, Andy Russell, Valerius Gueist, Ken Nowicki and even 'The Elusive Bighorn' by Leonard C. Jeck right now, I was able to suckhole Eric Marles (sask booknut) out of his personal copy back in 2007, actually he felt bad for me when I missed one on Trophyroom Bookshop after he has seen I was looking for it for awhile and offered it up knowing he would likely replace his copy at some point easier than I could find one...what a gem. Then I did lots of sheep hunting and hope to do a bit more yet. Solo 5-7 day on foot for several years, no phone, many kms deep, many shorter trips, got a ram on the wall, a few ewes, been in on other ram, passed a couple, helped others fill ewe tags...had the fever proper and it's still the pinnacle imo.

You should probably connect the dots with my ability to obsess and research over a topic and try to imagine for a second how that translated to what I had to figure out when I saw the future for my children after seeing the first of the big lies from the microphone that triggered me to finally apply myself to figure out why most of the world politically and on the 'screen' to that point never really did make much sense. That was at year 46.5 of my 50 years here fyi. I can tell you that you won't get the answer to this thread or 30x30 bullsh1t in a day, it's way more to unpack than you can imagine but you have to start somewhere. This thread is as good a place as any.

Ardent said:
It doesn’t make a ####ing difference if you think climate change is a hoax, protecting wild spaces is a win and a mighty necessary one. We live in a world losing its mind when hunters rally against it over whose politics it is.
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And in all that sheep hunting you will see that they are doing amazing and we have already cut out a ton of country for just them alone, anyone who's hunted sheep in Alberta can validate that! This 30x30 initiative isn't about that so not sure why you're arguing something we both value. 30x30 is part of a completely different agenda designed to push us out of the country for both work and play and is part of several other initiatives designed to do the same thing...push us into the cities. Somehow you cannot hear it though, you can't seem to tie all the other aligned initiatives to it, nor can you tie it to coming from the same people behind the latest round of immense lies and manufactured divisions. All the while you keep on your apparent moral superiority kick trying to defend this absurd 'climate change mitigation' hoax.

What sorcery is that? It's all outlined in this thread. You're being asked to figure this out...so start already. Don't do the same thing over and over expecting a different result and don't get left in the dust either, start somewhere, pick a topic, run to the ground, obsess for every piece of info you can get your hands on and chase it all to the end of the line...THEN process it all to YOUR OWN conclusions. You'll invite me for that coffee one day and we won't even need to say a word about any of this, we'll be on the same page, and we will be able to shoot the sh!t about guns and hunting etc.

Ardent said:
As for blakey, your ramblings are bizarre and off kilter to me and I can rarely get past the first few sentences before it becomes incongruous and strange. But I wish everyone here well even if we don’t see eye to eye or get each other, and would like to see it stay above insults.
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We've kept this very insult free. No need to deflect. We wish you and everyone else here well also. This is a learning opportunity, like most discussions are, hope you take something away from it because you have been misled about this particular topic and initiative. No one will disagree with you about our need to look after our environment, we can do that better if our house is in order first and we work with the proper info...not some crooked agenda from the crooked people behind it. All the info is available to connect all the dots on this entire thing but just because you can't envision the sheer volume required to unpack doesn't mean it doesn't need unpacking, you end up finding out a ton of things about this world that all of a sudden start to make perfect sense along the way. Hope you're able to take this walk, it will benefit you greatly as it will allow you to see what's coming next, as it did for those who took this walk earlier. The same ones who knew every step of the last 3 years. You think we wanted to find all that out? You think we like being right? We don't, you can't imagine how bad it really is but you must take the walk yourself as until we get together over the truth in great enough numbers then we can fix this broken house and then really kick azz at looking after those we share it with.
 
medvedqc said:
you re not the new messiah and if you re only worried about what happened from the last 8 years you might got some bad surprises, liberals bad conservatives good lol ... very simple mind i will say.
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you are right, the messenger is completely irrelevant here, always has been, you are also right that both sides of the political landscape we are allowed to choose from have both been captured for a long time while we're given the illusion that we choose all the goings on in this country and fight each other, when those divides are manufactured by those we are learning about now finally

it's the message that needs your attention, I'm not the only messenger, the true number of those figuring this out would shock you speechless I'm sure, but no worries you're running into more and more messengers as this drags on, even up there you're surely seeing the trend, you'll never get that indication on the main screens though, heck they are radio silent and complete blackout on one that's running for mayor of Toronto right now, watch and learn, they are doing their best to keep you fully manipulated and steering you to parrot everything they say and feel everything they want you to feel
 
We've kept this very insult free. No need to deflect.
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Chill BB. It's a dig at me from my best pal
Ardent. Not " admirably direct" when I do it lol, guess I have to insult an entire province of people.

Kind of shocked people are accusing you of being a lefty Ardent, all this neo liberal bootstraps talk reads very conservative to me. Jobs at McDonalds and 7/11 don't allow for long excursions and we are not all dealt the same lot in life; all I'm saying.

Anyways let's make up and go for a plane ride, meet me in Nimpo when it's Salmon season :dancingbanana:

I agree that month aside; Canadians should be out there appreciating our very easily accessible wilderness. Especially in the West, there isn't a major city that isn't ringed by parks etc. Even some in town for those who can't afford vehicles who's bootstraps are pulled as high as they go.

The track record of business and individuals on protecting and preserving wilderness is… spotty to put it softly.
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Id agree in general but lets not throw ducks unlimited under the bus...

Phil, I think we both know that those who don't like immigrants, are not concerned with those from Western Europe. Can't count the times I've told someone saying that stuff " my parents are immigrants" to be met with " yooouu know what I mean".

Anyways maybe we should all be closing the drawer for good on this one...
 
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The DU example is a good one as well as programs like Saskatchewan’s habitat trust with 75000+ acres. They’re fragmented though and not really wilderness like some national parks. I can pick berries or shoot a grouse there though.
I believe that politicians are just average people, maybe with some different traits. The problem for us sportsmen is that if you ask what constitutes a protected wilderness most people’s answer would be 1) no logging 2) no hunting.
 
starvin said:
The DU example is a good one as well as programs like Saskatchewan’s habitat trust with 75000+ acres. They’re fragmented though and not really wilderness like some national parks. I can pick berries or shoot a grouse there though.
I believe that politicians are just average people, maybe with some different traits. The problem for us sportsmen is that if you ask what constitutes a protected wilderness most people’s answer would be 1) no logging 2) no hunting.
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well we have many areas here where you cant hunt and did not heard clashes ... maybe the locals did not accept it but that is better for all including less hunting areas for hunters ... i started to talk about sacrifices that might include some for hunters ...
 
conor_90 said:
Chill BB. It's a dig at me from my best pal
Ardent. Not " admirably direct" when I do it lol, guess I have to insult an entire province of people.

Kind of shocked people are accusing you of being a lefty Ardent, all this neo liberal bootstraps talk reads very conservative to me. Jobs at McDonalds and 7/11 don't allow for long excursions and we are not all dealt the same lot in life; all I'm saying.

Anyways let's make up and go for a plane ride, meet me in Nimpo when it's Salmon season :dancingbanana:

I agree that month aside; Canadians should be out there appreciating our very easily accessible wilderness. Especially in the West, there isn't a major city that isn't ringed by parks etc. Even some in town for those who can't afford vehicles who's bootstraps are pulled as high as they go.



Id agree in general but lets not throw ducks unlimited under the bus...

Phil, I think we both know that those who don't like immigrants, are not concerned with those from Western Europe. Can't count the times I've told someone saying that stuff " my parents are immigrants" to be met with " yooouu know what I mean".

Anyways maybe we should all be closing the drawer for good on this one...
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well i do not know but when a country built by immigrants as a fringe of the habitants starting to select some immigrants good or bad you know as a foreign ancestry from europe what it will lead too ...
 
starvin said:
The DU example is a good one as well as programs like Saskatchewan’s habitat trust with 75000+ acres. They’re fragmented though and not really wilderness like some national parks. I can pick berries or shoot a grouse there though.
I believe that politicians are just average people, maybe with some different traits. The problem for us sportsmen is that if you ask what constitutes a protected wilderness most people’s answer would be 1) no logging 2) no hunting.
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some great posts this page, agree with this, there are a lot of good people trapped in a bad system

but the most key positions in that system are not held by them

or we'd have turned things around a long time ago and fixed the system so we could actually ensure we get people that work for the people in those key positions, if things were running how they should there would hardly be a two party divide, the vote would be obvious, and if someone started dragging their feet and going the wrong way a candidate would step up and get in and earn the right to stay there, that's not what we have, we haven't had that our whole lives, the key positions have been chosen not by us, the 2 party divide is 100% manufactured, most people are about people, that's how you know, once you learn the two party divide you can see how they use that tool constantly on just about every topic including politics(right left, when people are actually 99% good with 1% bad...so a natural true system would not be a 2 party divide, it would be you're for humanity or against, but 1% don't survive well if not in shadows and if not using deception and manipulation)

the bottom line is we are run by unelected criminals, yes it's that bad, they worked hard for a long time to capture things to that point, we were asleep at the wheel, and a lot of us programmed to be

end of day lots of respect for everyone who had the nuts to participate in this thread, these conversations are very difficult to see to even a 50% level, we are on the same team in the end, most of us will come to see that in the near future also, the pendulum is just starting to hit the top of the stroke right now, we will hang here for a bit and then it goes the other way, and then it picks up speed from there

the time for taking the narrative AS conclusion is over, no more letting them tell us what to think and how to feel about any subject or person, now we have to think critically, ask questions, research things as the microphone has been exposed, we have to process information from all over to OUR OWN conclusions, we have to watch everything now with a critical eye, watch those elections, watch the news patterns, not for the message but for the methods, it all gets clearer and clearer as we go
 
Ardent said:
I just take solace in the fact if their theories were at all correct, whoever or whatever’s supposed to be running #### would have smited them already.



Who do you propose does it? Unfortunately every area I’ve seen preserved has been managed by the government. The track record of business and individuals on protecting and preserving wilderness is… spotty to put it softly.
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Sadly, so is the governments'. And if I had to choose, it wouldn't be the people that have been screwing us over my entire life. - dan
 
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