The Bren 2 - Making A Name For Itself In Modern Combat

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The Bren 2 - Making A Name For Itself In Modern Combat


The Bren 2 is a new rifle that has seen lots of combat action with the Ukranian War. Despite an lukewarm reaction to the CZ 805 Bren the Bren 2 seems to be garnering a reputation as a capable combat rifle. So how does it perform? Today we go in depth.

 

[Northern Shooter]

I'm loving my NR Bren 2. Broke it in this weekend with 1000 rounds of assorted bulk ammo, the thing just runs.

I've never owned a semi auto that didn't have teething issues of some kind so this is a pleasant surprise.

 

[armybuck041]

I picked up a brand spanking new 9” 7.62x39 Bren 2 this past week.

Put 150 rounds downrange today. Couple of FTFs from short stroking in the first couple mags. After 50 rounds or so, it completely cleared up. The muzzle blast was smile inducing to say the least.

 

[Horilka]

Nothin.g particular in the video about using it in war against Ruzzia. From scattered messages and videos I am seeing , coming from friends of friends - it the great platform. Surprisingly, outside of AK platform I would say the next more common among Ukrainians and allied groups is M4, which is reliable, accurate but so outdated.

 

[I Dont Care About You]

I'm loving my NR Bren 2. Broke it in this weekend with 1000 rounds of assorted bulk ammo, the thing just runs.

I've never owned a semi auto that didn't have teething issues of some kind so this is a pleasant surprise.

It's the price that is most difficult to swallow.

 

[Northern Shooter]

It's the price that is most difficult to swallow.

It's expensive sure, the most I've ever dropped on a firearm. I also view it as a bargain compared to alternatives like the APC223 and a couple steps above the 180s and Keltecs of the world. I'm sure the X95 is a great purchase as well but I'm not into bullpups.

 

[kthomas]

Nothin.g particular in the video about using it in war against Ruzzia. From scattered messages and videos I am seeing , coming from friends of friends - it the great platform. Surprisingly, outside of AK platform I would say the next more common among Ukrainians and allied groups is M4, which is reliable, accurate but so outdated.

Not very surprising, given who's funding one side of the war.

While the M4 and variants thereof are dated, they aren't outdated.

It's the most common platform used in the western world by government agencies and militaries. Comes in many configurations, is very supported and adaptable and has a very well understood manual of arms. It's easy to train on the system and lots of support is available for it.

I'm not sure what the condition or exact variant of the M4 (or adjacent ar-15) weapon systems the Ukrainians are getting. And certainly there's more modern weapons available - but all are measured against the ar-15 style platform, and for good reason.

 

[kthomas]

And that Bren-2 looks like a nice rifle. I'll have to check it out. I wonder how it performs as a suppressor host.

Haven't watched that video yet, but will do today. Perhaps GT covers that aspect of the rifle.

 

[Sniffer]

And that Bren-2 looks like a nice rifle. I'll have to check it out. I wonder how it performs as a suppressor host.

Haven't watched that video yet, but will do today. Perhaps GT covers that aspect of the rifle.

He does cover suppressors, the Bren 2 is very suppressor friendly.

 

[I Dont Care About You]

It's expensive sure, the most I've ever dropped on a firearm. I also view it as a bargain compared to alternatives like the APC223 and a couple steps above the 180s and Keltecs of the world. I'm sure the X95 is a great purchase as well but I'm not into bullpups.

I'd much prefer to stick with my AR's but our sh!te govt has made that currently impossible. I did get an X95 because it is a reasonably affordable, modern, military spec rifle. Bullpups are for sure not my favourite but I'm working on it.

 

[I Dont Care About You]

He does cover suppressors, the Bren 2 is very suppressor friendly.

That doesn't really help us very much though.

 

[I Dont Care About You]

I'm not sure what the condition or exact variant of the M4 (or adjacent ar-15) weapon systems the Ukrainians are getting. And certainly there's more modern weapons available - but all are measured against the ar-15 style platform, and for good reason.

Apparently they got a bunch of Colt Canada C7's out of Denmark. See "The Armourers Bench" videos on Youtube

 

[Bartok5]

I have been saying that the Bren" 2 is currently the best semi-automatic modern sporting rifle available on the limited Canadian market since first evaluating my 14" rifle back in July 2022. There isn't much new in the GT video that we didn't already know, aside from the suppressor host bit which as IDCAY has noted, doesn't do us Canucks much good. Nonetheless, the slick production values and ammo expenditure makes for an entertaining YouTube video which will no doubt galvanize GT's base into a Bren 2 buying frenzy State-side.

Up here in Canada, if you want to experience the very latest in a semi-auto clone of this modern, combat-tested service rifle, you'd best get your arse in gear. We basically have this summer shooting season left to us before the next Lieberal crack-down is likely to ban this rifle and all remaining semi-automatic, center-fire rifles with a detachable magazine. Just saying. Once they're banned, we can only hope that a Conservative government does as promised and rescinds the Lieberal ban OICs. No guarantee of that however...

 

[Northern Shooter]

I have been saying that the Bren" 2 is currently the best semi-automatic modern sporting rifle available on the limited Canadian market since first evaluating my 14" rifle back in July 2022. There isn't much new in the GT video that we didn't already know, aside from the suppressor host bit which as IDCAY has noted, doesn't do us Canucks much good. Nonetheless, the slick production values and ammo expenditure makes for an entertaining YouTube video which will no doubt galvanize GT's base into a Bren 2 buying frenzy State-side.

Up here in Canada, if you want to experience the very latest in a semi-auto clone of this modern, combat-tested service rifle, you'd best get your arse in gear. We basically have this summer shooting season left to us before the next Lieberal crack-down is likely to ban this rifle and all remaining semi-automatic, center-fire rifles with a detachable magazine. Just saying. Once they're banned, we can only hope that a Conservative government does as promised and rescinds the Lieberal ban OICs. No guarantee of that however...

I've stopped worrying about what the Liberals may do. After this summer's cabinet shuffle they'll be back to struggling to make it through a single week without stumbling into their next scandal.

Their days are numbered.

 

[the radium king]

I've stopped worrying about what the Liberals may do. After this summer's cabinet shuffle they'll be back to struggling to make it through a single week without stumbling into their next scandal.

Their days are numbered.

+1.

 

[Bfranklin]

I have a fair bit of experience with both the Bren2 and the B+T APC. B+T is IMO the better of the two, unless I am missing something significant.

 

[Sniffer]

That doesn't really help us very much though.

It helped the person who asked - he lives in Arizona where his government doesn't deny him PPE.

 

[Horilka]

I have a fair bit of experience with both the Bren2 and the B+T APC. B+T is IMO the better of the two, unless I am missing something significant.

Can you be more specific? Better in ergonomics, accuracy, modularity, reliability, safety?

 

[greentips]

The B&T has steel rail bolted on and where cam pin rotates - Bren M2 doesn't - BGC rides on aluminum ledges of the receiver.

Theoretically APC can be rebuilt - Bren M2 when it is done it is done. Realistically, not sure how many people will actually rebuild receiver. I guess if you are a poor EU police dept you can send it back to rebuild.

B&T doesn't have high fix capital investment put into the APC - so they choose to mill everything out of bar stocks because CNC machines are flexible. CZ is set up for higher volume - more forged parts, more "slimmer" parts.

Bren M2 has much smaller trunnion and uses the receiver to "clamp on" using torx bolt tension to compress. The same idea as SCAR but maybe even further. This also means the monkey and the tools have to be calibrated more precisely - in the QA side, but weight saving there. B&T trunnion is more of a "fit" and then brutally affixed in all 4 sides by 8 torx.

The B&T has the advantage of "AR" trigger -using stock AR trigger gives good training when AR is not around - same trigger release and weight.

B&T is set up as a "low volume" product, Bren is setup to produce at "high volume". Getting human to put torx on receiver costs time with pneumatic tools - which is something one will want to avoid ( the same reason why DD RIS 2 is hated" and lost ).

So yeh B&T has more "labour intensive" things going on and better fit and finish - it has to do with the scale of B&T and the scale of production re fixed investment dedicated to just one product. Also because they way they design B&T ( everything is a rectangular block ) it gives them easier and better control over tolerance.

 

[mareshow]

The B&T has steel rail bolted on and where cam pin rotates - Bren M2 doesn't - BGC rides on aluminum ledges of the receiver.

Theoretically APC can be rebuilt - Bren M2 when it is done it is done. Realistically, not sure how many people will actually rebuild receiver. I guess if you are a poor EU police dept you can send it back to rebuild.

B&T doesn't have high fix capital investment put into the APC - so they choose to mill everything out of bar stocks because CNC machines are flexible. CZ is set up for higher volume - more forged parts, more "slimmer" parts.

Bren M2 has much smaller trunnion and uses the receiver to "clamp on" using torx bolt tension to compress. The same idea as SCAR but maybe even further. This also means the monkey and the tools have to be calibrated more precisely - in the QA side, but weight saving there. B&T trunnion is more of a "fit" and then brutally affixed in all 4 sides by 8 torx.

The B&T has the advantage of "AR" trigger -using stock AR trigger gives good training when AR is not around - same trigger release and weight.

B&T is set up as a "low volume" product, Bren is setup to produce at "high volume". Getting human to put torx on receiver costs time with pneumatic tools - which is something one will want to avoid ( the same reason why DD RIS 2 is hated" and lost ).

So yeh B&T has more "labour intensive" things going on and better fit and finish - it has to do with the scale of B&T and the scale of production re fixed investment dedicated to just one product. Also because they way they design B&T ( everything is a rectangular block ) it gives them easier and better control over tolerance.

Great comparison!, I was looking at getting a Bren 2, realistically how many rounds you figure before the receiver is gone?