The 1 MOA Hoax: How manufacturers have confused shooters

EJG said:
2 years ago we did a days shooting at the range with two Tikka T3 rifles. One was my 20" stainless 308 CTR in a tactical carbon fibre stock, the other a brand new factory T3 Lite blued. The only thing we did to that was to remove the pressure bedding notch in the barrel channel to have her free floating. Ammo selection is not great where we live but I managed to get a few boxes of 168gr Sako Match. I like ammo with a year stamp in the case head. Groups were shot off the bench, sandbag in the front and rear. Quite light rifle hold. Range 200yds. At the end of the day with all results added we were well under 1MOA. Closer to 1/2MOA.
edi
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Is it a good idea in geenral to get rid of that pressure point and let them float?
 
Joel said:
Is it a good idea in geenral to get rid of that pressure point and let them float?
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I always remove them. The pressure that the pressure point puts on the barrel is in ratio to the pressure that is put on a stock when on a bipod or on a rest. Exert a bit more pressure on the rifle when getting in position and this is relayed on the barrel. No consistency from the get go. There are two reason why a rifle is pressure bedded, firstly no manufacturer can consistently produce a straight stock... especially wood and injection moulded plastic... second reason, rifles are not always straight either. A pressure point is the solution to get the barrel and stock to match up to achieve an equal gap left and right between barrel and stock. Many judge the quality of a rifle on how equal the barrel stock gap is left and right.
edi
 
EJG said:
I always remove them. The pressure that the pressure point puts on the barrel is in ratio to the pressure that is put on a stock when on a bipod or on a rest. Exert a bit more pressure on the rifle when getting in position and this is relayed on the barrel. No consistency from the get go. There are two reason why a rifle is pressure bedded, firstly no manufacturer can consistently produce a straight stock... especially wood and injection moulded plastic... second reason, rifles are not always straight either. A pressure point is the solution to get the barrel and stock to match up to achieve an equal gap left and right between barrel and stock. Many judge the quality of a rifle on how equal the barrel stock gap is left and right.
edi
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I see!

When you remove those pressure points, how much do you widen the gap of the barrel channel as a whole afterward, say for a T3x Lite?
 
Joel said:
I see!

When you remove those pressure points, how much do you widen the gap of the barrel channel as a whole afterward, say for a T3x Lite?
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Soft flexy stock, remove much more than a stiffer stronger stock or stock material. T3 Lite cut away the pressure point. Try the paper test but when on the bipod loading the bipod. I prefer 2-3mm gap, to be sure.
edi
 
Spruster said:
The guy is a goof , always looking for negative , which sells , like the green apple
seen him before and if you wanna get attention be negative
crazy stuff
I have 4 that will shoot 1 moa
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Lucky guy you win 200 bucks.

please post pictures of you shooting your guns, and the sub moa groupings.
 
When testing rifles that came to me with an accuracy complaint I always compared them with a proven accurate rifle that I used in competition. It was a .308 that shot lots of .300 groups one after another...

Some days the conditions do not allow for small groups... so if you shoot the problem rifle that shoots an inch and a half... with your known minus 1/2 inch rifle and it shoots an inch... you know the conditions are the problem... test again another day...

Lots of factory rifles will shoot factory ammo under an inch. Lots of shooters are not capable of it.
 
guntech said:
When testing rifles that came to me with an accuracy complaint I always compared them with a proven accurate rifle that I used in competition. It was a .308 that shot lots of .300 groups one after another...

Some days the conditions do not allow for small groups... so if you shoot the problem rifle that shoots an inch and a half... with your known minus 1/2 inch rifle and it shoots an inch... you know the conditions are the problem... test again another day...

Lots of factory rifles will shoot factory ammo under an inch. Lots of shooters are not capable of it.
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Bingo
 
I was reading how Bergara does their MOA guarantee verification if you send them your rifle with a complaint. They fire a 3 shot group, if the three are under an inch, it passes. If they can only put 2 out of 3 into an inch, they repeat the test, and if they can twice put 2 out of 3 into an inch, it passes.
 
I will be testing a new rifle tomorrow, the manufacturer guaranties sub MOA performance.

Due to the cold snap, I will shoot it indoors at 50 yards, at least it will give me an idea.

Will see.
 
The group he shot at the end of the video to prove his point was way rushed.
If I'm using all my fundamentals and bench shooting skills to shoot the tightest group possible it's much longer than three seconds between shots.

He can be a bit of a drama queen that one.
 
Its not that hard lol
Had a old guy refuse to shoot the tavor I had because the trigger would ruin him.
He let me shoot his 28” hexagon barrel single shot peep sighted black powder cartridge target rifle with hair trigger. I shot at the rifle target not the steel backed rimfire target so he though I missed. Went down to the targets after he fed me 3 shots and we covered them with a quarter, so under 23.8mm group. No such thing as being too good to shoot a tavor lol
 
I’ve got a couple rifles that consistently shoot moa with factory ammo, I’m the part of the equation that can’t always shoot moa lol. So many little factors contribute to the results down range, it’s nice when they all align lol.
 
People keep talking about 3 round groups. No such thing IMO. Its 5 shots minimum and one group doesn’t mean a whole bunch.
Manufacturers accuracy guarantees are worthless. Only way to know is to buy it and test it.
 
Once a hunting rifle is zeroed I never shoot a group with it. The first shot is the only one I worry about at any distance .
I have target rifles that I shoot at targets .
However when I am working up a load for a rifle i shoot 5 shot groups to get an idea of the accuracy and velocity of a particular load.
Once the load is decided upon and the gun zeroed, I only shoot one shot with it at any given time when I am at the range and never at the same distance .
Cat
 
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Most hunters aren't great shots.

And most hunting rifles just aren't conducive to shooting good groups. They are generally chambered in cartridges that have a lot of recoil potential and paired with a lightweight package with no muzzle brake.

Combine the two, and you don't have a great recipe for precision success. Recoil really exploits your flaws (which every shooters have some flaws, and hunters more than most). Some rifle and ammo combinations certainly aren't capable of 1 MOA or better - but I think most hunters/shooters aren't capable of that precision, especially in a lightweight hard recoiling rifle.
 
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