Do I need a 6.5PRC?

Joel said:
6.5mm effects on big game are a question that's been answered for well over 100 years though. Bullets and delivery systems have only gotten better since.

Someone can accept that, or not. Entirely their call. But the idea of it not being sufficient has long since been dispelled.
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Joel .. come on , why are bigger cal's even made
and I guess with no success
the 6.5 should do all ?
Tell me where is the upper limit of this magical cal ?
where you say , Enuf , need bigger ?
 
Aboslutely none of that counters the fact that 6.5mm bullets kill big game, and have been, for a very long time.

One can accept that fact, or live in denial of it. As you wish.

No one but you said "do it all". Argue with yourself on that one, as no one else ever says these things :)
 
That's the whole magic of it!

Whether or not you buy into it, it still works, and history does not change. Your belief or non-belief doesn't undo fact.

Anyone who likes classic Africana will absolutely know that. Bullets and cartridges have improved by leaps and bounds since then.
 
Spruster said:
good point , mind you a TTSX bullet avail all the way up , or the TA
Performance means what to you ?
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Performance on game, tissue, shock, penetration, expansion. Seems to me, the op is wondering about that. Not tiny holes in paper at long range by a bullet that's spent its energy/velocity.

I shoot 140 partition in my 264wm. Old school, very average bc bullet. Within its design limits a excellent game bullet. Have limited experience with the ttsx, it was a pain to get to shoot in my 240 wea. The ttsx wants speed to perform on game; so your gaining bc for longer range but the bullet might not have game performance at distance.
 
nowarningshot said:
Performance on game, tissue, shock, penetration, expansion. Seems to me, the op is wondering about that. Not tiny holes in paper at long range by a bullet that's spent its energy/velocity.

I shoot 140 partition in my 264wm. Old school, very average bc bullet. Within its design limits a excellent game bullet. Have limited experience with the ttsx, it was a pain to get to shoot in my 240 wea. The ttsx wants speed to perform on game; so your gaining bc for longer range but the bullet might not have game performance at distance.
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Is the 264 WM a bit hotter than 6.5 PRC?

For the mono, think I'd go with the LRX, not the TTSX. Shame they don't make a heavier one than 127gr but it opens at lower velocities than the TTSX versions and really penetrates.
 
Joel said:
That's the whole magic of it!

Whether or not you buy into it, it still works, and history does not change. Your belief or non-belief doesn't undo fact.

Anyone who likes classic Africana will absolutely know that. Bullets and cartridges have improved by leaps and bounds since then.
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Actually , you speak the truth to a point
bullets have made a huge diff in what we shoot and need for cal

My 280 AI will blow a 6.5 ...
:)
 
ht tps://bigwatersafaris.com/blog/2019/01/21/hornady-gmx-6-5mm/

For the past year, I have been using the 120gr Hornady GMX bullet in my Howa 6.5 Creedmoor. I load the bullet to just under 2800 fps and consistently get 1/2 moa groups.

Between me and clients using my rifle, this bullet has accounted for 73 game animals, including Black and blue wildebeest, blesbuck, eland, red hartebeest, springbok and warthog. These bullets penetrate well, even on the larger antelope and expand reliably out to more than 400 meters.

On animals, even the larger ones, the GMX normally exits, leaving a good blood trail on animals that do not drop in their tracks. This is one of my favorite hunting bullets in the 6.5mm cartridges.

Thinus Steyn
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If that works...how about this?

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Spruster said:
Actually , you speak the truth to a point
bullets have made a huge diff in what we shoot and need for cal

My 280 AI will blow a 6.5 ...
:)
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Good for it, I don't judge. But it may appreciate some privacy...
 
Wildebeest, Eland, Kudu etc aren't paper. They're rather big, tough animals.

Regardless of what any other rounds do or do not do, a 6.5mm bullet with sufficient speed to open up and a good sectional desnsity, kills. Pronto. I bet a lot of bigger rounds do better. That's fantastic. But it doesn't undo the fact that 6.5mms have earned a reputation of knocking down big game over the last century plus. Has nothing to do with paper.

That is not religion and does not require faith lol.
 
Joel said:
Is the 264 WM a bit hotter than 6.5 PRC?

For the mono, think I'd go with the LRX, not the TTSX. Shame they don't make a heavier one than 127gr but it opens at lower velocities than the TTSX versions and really penetrates.
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Without numbers in front of me, iirc, they're pretty much equivalent. Individual barrels, tolerance for sticky bolts and flattened primers aside. Since a 6.5 prc is very new, compared to the 264wm(1958) you would probably benefit from better metallurgy and stronger actions with the prc. But then my 264wm is on a M1917, the same action that's I've used for 338wm in the past, and I have one in 416 rigby.

Seems funny to use a high performance 65 yr old round in a action built pre 1940. Compare it to a caliber less than 10 years old. Reinventing the mouse trap, over and over again.
 
nowarningshot said:
Performance on game, tissue, shock, penetration, expansion. Seems to me, the op is wondering about that. Not tiny holes in paper at long range by a bullet that's spent its energy/velocity.

I shoot 140 partition in my 264wm. Old school, very average bc bullet. Within its design limits a excellent game bullet. Have limited experience with the ttsx, it was a pain to get to shoot in my 240 wea. The ttsx wants speed to perform on game; so your gaining bc for longer range but the bullet might not have game performance at distance.
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Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at with the original question. Are there any real practical differences or benefits with the 6.5 PRC? I think the answer is no, which is about what I expected. I've shot big game with the creedmoor. It works well, but I'm not convinced there's anything really magical about it. I don't really care much what it does to game at 800 yards because I'm not going to take that shot. I know the 7PRC is capable to that range and beyond but I'm still not going to take that shot hunting. Shooting paper/steel at long range is just for fun and an excuse to get more practice in is how I look at it.

Regarding ammo/component availability and whether the cartridge will stand the test of time also isn't really a big concern. Generally I buy enough components to last the life of the barrel and then don't worry about it. If I shoot the barrel out and find that the cartridge no longer exists I'll just rebarrel to something else.
 
I picked up a 6.5 PRC a few years ago, Howa rifle with radial muzzle brake, it was on cheap at Bullseye for $600. Shoots fine, brake works pretty good, haven't taken it hunting yet.
Biggest issue today is LRM primers and decent slow burning powder. Prices are still pretty ridiculous, and I'm running low on both.
 
remington jim said:
i have SHOT a few deer and such with 22-250 rem 243 win 6 mm rem and all killed Good - and yes my 7-08 280 ai 308 30-06 300 prc or 338 Fed are my hunting cartridges BUT I would not pass up a moose or a elk wIF i can get a GOOD shot thru the lungs ! RJ
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You right , 6 /6.5 mm ,
so why take the chance with a coyote round while hunting deer and a moose walks out
if shot is there
and If not , you pass ,
Hey Moose please turn sideways ...
lol , just teasing
 
Hitzy said:
I picked up a 6.5 PRC a few years ago, Howa rifle with radial muzzle brake, it was on cheap at Bullseye for $600. Shoots fine, brake works pretty good, haven't taken it hunting yet.
Biggest issue today is LRM primers and decent slow burning powder. Prices are still pretty ridiculous, and I'm running low on both.
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I found LRP offered a bit more accuracy out of the Tikka 6.5 PRC that I used to own.
But they’re scarce as well
 
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Joel said:
Is the 264 WM a bit hotter than 6.5 PRC?

For the mono, think I'd go with the LRX, not the TTSX. Shame they don't make a heavier one than 127gr but it opens at lower velocities than the TTSX versions and really penetrates.
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nowarningshot said:
Without numbers in front of me, iirc, they're pretty much equivalent. Individual barrels, tolerance for sticky bolts and flattened primers aside. Since a 6.5 prc is very new, compared to the 264wm(1958) you would probably benefit from better metallurgy and stronger actions with the prc. But then my 264wm is on a M1917, the same action that's I've used for 338wm in the past, and I have one in 416 rigby.

Seems funny to use a high performance 65 yr old round in a action built pre 1940. Compare it to a caliber less than 10 years old. Reinventing the mouse trap, over and over again.
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67 gr capacity for the PRC vs 82 gr for the Win Mag.
 
What is barrel life out of the 6.5 PRC? That's the only thing that would bother me. Other than that there seems to be decent supplies of factory ammo available for those that don't handload.
 
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