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I read on a Euro hunting forum, he had this magazine specially made for him. A friend with a welding outfit and talents.
Edit: something like two stainless steel magazines to build one.
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What's with the Current Trend of Large-Capacity Magazines in Hunting Rifles
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I read on a Euro hunting forum, he had this magazine specially made for him. A friend with a welding outfit and talents.
Edit: something like two stainless steel magazines to build one.
While I can (kind of) see both sides of this, I tend to gravitate towards exercising caution in not doing the exact same thing we suggest what the Liberals and their ilk are doing to us - by prescribing what others need, either explicitly or by implication. It is the oldest trick in the book, superimposing one's own biases and opinions onto others. This not just happens here, but even in more day-to-day stuff like commenting on how other people spend their money, what they choose to eat, how they spend their free time, etc., what they read (or don't read), or even the the hot topic of political preference.
It's slippery slope territory. Ultimately, I fall on the side of letting people decide what is suitable for their own needs and requirements. My neighbour drives a butt-ugly orange car (in my opinion), souped up to look like a sports car with all the ridiculous (in my opinion) accessories. I don't comment on his car, as that is not my preference, but very likely he feels the same about my car and "why would anyone ever buy that?" I don't know his situations and he doesn't know mine, but if even if we did, there's zero value for me to comment since thankfully we live in a country where in some measure, we still have some degree of choice (though that's being eroded daily by this government).
I remember when I bought my Franchi Momentum .308. It came with a measly pretty much all plastic magazine which held 3 rounds. It was flush with my gun. I looked into buying another one but at the ridiculous cost of buying sheer plastic, I said nah. I wanted one more more capacity, primarily for initial range use before taking it hunting. I ended up finding some guy who custom made magazines on a 3D printer and was all giddy that I would be able to get an 8-rounder made. That is almost triple the capacity, so I was pretty delighted. Well, when the magazine came in and I saw it fit and such, for some reason my mind changed and despite the higher capacity, I didn't like the look of that magazine protruding. It's weird because I have a number of semi autos with detachable magazines and I love them. But for some reason, with the Franchi, I just didn't like the protruding magazine. I don't know why - it solves a capacity issue, is easy to remove, provides convenience, etc. But in the end, it just didn't look right with the Franchi (this could be social conditioning, who knows...or just personal preference). I certainly would not prescribe this for anyone else and just recognize it's probably just personal preference.
As an aside and unrelated, MDT AICS mags are superb. I find they feel and operate better than their OEM equivalents (in my case, Ruger and Savage).
It's slippery slope territory. Ultimately, I fall on the side of letting people decide what is suitable for their own needs and requirements. My neighbour drives a butt-ugly orange car (in my opinion), souped up to look like a sports car with all the ridiculous (in my opinion) accessories. I don't comment on his car, as that is not my preference, but very likely he feels the same about my car and "why would anyone ever buy that?" I don't know his situations and he doesn't know mine, but if even if we did, there's zero value for me to comment since thankfully we live in a country where in some measure, we still have some degree of choice (though that's being eroded daily by this government).
I remember when I bought my Franchi Momentum .308. It came with a measly pretty much all plastic magazine which held 3 rounds. It was flush with my gun. I looked into buying another one but at the ridiculous cost of buying sheer plastic, I said nah. I wanted one more more capacity, primarily for initial range use before taking it hunting. I ended up finding some guy who custom made magazines on a 3D printer and was all giddy that I would be able to get an 8-rounder made. That is almost triple the capacity, so I was pretty delighted. Well, when the magazine came in and I saw it fit and such, for some reason my mind changed and despite the higher capacity, I didn't like the look of that magazine protruding. It's weird because I have a number of semi autos with detachable magazines and I love them. But for some reason, with the Franchi, I just didn't like the protruding magazine. I don't know why - it solves a capacity issue, is easy to remove, provides convenience, etc. But in the end, it just didn't look right with the Franchi (this could be social conditioning, who knows...or just personal preference). I certainly would not prescribe this for anyone else and just recognize it's probably just personal preference.
As an aside and unrelated, MDT AICS mags are superb. I find they feel and operate better than their OEM equivalents (in my case, Ruger and Savage).
My 7600 .308 with the 10 round Mambamag loaded with 150 soft points would be perfect for this Set the scope on 1x, put the red chevron in front of it, squeeze and follow through.
I wouldn't have any qualm about going hunting with this
That is, if it was legal to do so...
I would use that set up, no problem. Many people have pre-conceived ideas that any magazine that isn't flush with a rifle is going to get hung up on brush, which just isn't the case. I have extensive experience hunting in the coastal rainforest which is among the densest bush in north ameria and I've used all sorts of different firearms. Some of them have longer magazines than others. In every case, I find what's get hung up the most is your sling. And a sling is something you can remove (and I sometimes do) but it's also handy to have when you need to traverse some tough terrain.
I used to only like rifles with hinged floorplates as I feel that blind mags suck. The only advantage to them is a teeny bit of weight savings. And I didn't like flush fit magazines as so many of them are finicky to insert, not much to grab on to, are small and prone to loss ( I know SO many people that have lost their small flush mags) and they can be expensive and hard to source.
I know many people disagree but if I am going to use a detach magazine for hunting, I prefer one that protrudes from the stock a bit. It doesn't have to be a 20 or 30 round mag but a 5-10 round mag is fine. It gives a nice comfy "shelf" to put your hand on for carrying, it's big enough so it's easy not to displace, easy to get a grip on to manipulate and most of them are simple to insert or remove.
Rifles like these don't get hung up on brush and are easy to carry using the magazine as sort of a resting point for your hand.
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Gatehouse gets it.
Wow. The OP has the temerity to question the big mags...and is immediately attacked as a "Fudd", a Lliberal and all other manner of monster. And now Gatehouse posts an in-depth journalistic point-by-point analysis of why all the points that he claims are used by the enemies of freedom when they talk about big mags...are wrong! "Don't tell us you're right, 'cuz you're not! You're wrong! We're right, and if you disagree, well, you're just an old senile commie sympathizer, so...so...so there!
I don't know about the west coast brush; unless it has hands and fingers and a mind of its own, I doubt that it is all that much more "grabby" than the northern Ontario stuff I grew up hunting in. I expected that when moving through it carrying a rifle, that there would be some degree of "hanging up" going on. I fully agree that the sling was the number 1 offender, and so of course I removed it when hunting the stuff. When hunting, I want the gun in my hands, plain and simple. A sling or strap was useful for carrying the gun from point A to point B; I'm sure somebody will stridently point out that the sling can be a shooting aid, and it sure can...but using it that way in the kind of brush you're whining about is just silly. Shots in that stuff are quick and close, not something you need to wrap into a sling to make the shot.
There have been times when I had hunted the wide-open spaces of the West, or of Africa, or the tundra/taiga of the North, and I have loved the chance to just leave the sling on the rifle. It was nice...but the simple fact is that sometimes that works comfortably, and other times it doesn't. So, obviously, sometimes when it's useful you leave it on, and sometimes when it's a PITA you don't....just like a big mag.
Even among the people who feel that way about slings, there's disagreement about 'em. A big, wide leather sling with the gunmaker's name emblazoned on it, along with some basketweave and some lacework and a couple cartridge loops and maybe a little knife sheath, or a military-style sling that if laid out as a single straight strap is about 15 feet long...well, those things are way heavier than they need to be...just like big mags.
To me, a big mag isn't going to increase or decrease the "snagginess" of my rifle significantly...but it will stick out right where I want to wrap my hand around the gun...and it will interfere with taking advantage of the sort of natural rest I like to use, like treelimbs, boulders, etc. I'm not guessing...I know it will; I have committed the sin of getting old, and have spent plenty of that wasted time hunting, including some of it spent hunting with rifles that have big mags sticking out. I find them a PITA in many situations, so...being old and dumb...I no longer use them in those situations. They have their advantages, but most of the time, those advantages are far outweighed by their drawbacks.
It was stated above that they'd be useful for shooting groundhogs...? Really? A great day of groundhog shooting might see you take a dozen shots, maybe 20, spaced out over a number of hours. It would involve a fair bit of walking and carrying, and likely all shots would be very deliberate and taken from a rest. Sounds to me like a perfect scenario for a single-shot rifle, and the exact opposite of the situation where I might find a big mag useful. But to each his own...and that, boys and girls, is true even when the other guy believes the opposite of what you believe.
We have guys who spend big bucks on a lightweight rifle, and then spend more big bucks on replacement parts that lighten it further. Titanium this, magnesium that, carbon fibre here, skeletonization there...cool, I just doubled the cost I have into this rifle but I've shaved off three ounces!!! Sure, many of them then slap on 3-pound riflescopes and 10-round mags weighing a pound and a half, but it's their choice to do so. I get that, but...what is so horrible about asking for their rationale?
If not for this thread, I'd never have thought about shooting at herds of pigs charging across my field of fire...or about some types of rifle competitions...but I don't do that stuff, so why would I? Those things don't factor into my decisions regarding rifles, but having them brought to my attention I can certainly see that big mags would be useful for them. They're obviously not just for cold-weather porch plinking, even if that's all that I find them useful for.
Seriously, a lot of you guys sound literally desperate to not merely explain the big mags...but to make it sound as if they have no drawbacks. Everything has advantages and disadvantages, and to refuse to acknowledge that is silly.
When the question is "Why....?" the answer should not be "How dare you ask?"
I don't know about the west coast brush; unless it has hands and fingers and a mind of its own, I doubt that it is all that much more "grabby" than the northern Ontario stuff I grew up hunting in. I expected that when moving through it carrying a rifle, that there would be some degree of "hanging up" going on. I fully agree that the sling was the number 1 offender, and so of course I removed it when hunting the stuff. When hunting, I want the gun in my hands, plain and simple. A sling or strap was useful for carrying the gun from point A to point B; I'm sure somebody will stridently point out that the sling can be a shooting aid, and it sure can...but using it that way in the kind of brush you're whining about is just silly. Shots in that stuff are quick and close, not something you need to wrap into a sling to make the shot.
There have been times when I had hunted the wide-open spaces of the West, or of Africa, or the tundra/taiga of the North, and I have loved the chance to just leave the sling on the rifle. It was nice...but the simple fact is that sometimes that works comfortably, and other times it doesn't. So, obviously, sometimes when it's useful you leave it on, and sometimes when it's a PITA you don't....just like a big mag.
Even among the people who feel that way about slings, there's disagreement about 'em. A big, wide leather sling with the gunmaker's name emblazoned on it, along with some basketweave and some lacework and a couple cartridge loops and maybe a little knife sheath, or a military-style sling that if laid out as a single straight strap is about 15 feet long...well, those things are way heavier than they need to be...just like big mags.
To me, a big mag isn't going to increase or decrease the "snagginess" of my rifle significantly...but it will stick out right where I want to wrap my hand around the gun...and it will interfere with taking advantage of the sort of natural rest I like to use, like treelimbs, boulders, etc. I'm not guessing...I know it will; I have committed the sin of getting old, and have spent plenty of that wasted time hunting, including some of it spent hunting with rifles that have big mags sticking out. I find them a PITA in many situations, so...being old and dumb...I no longer use them in those situations. They have their advantages, but most of the time, those advantages are far outweighed by their drawbacks.
It was stated above that they'd be useful for shooting groundhogs...? Really? A great day of groundhog shooting might see you take a dozen shots, maybe 20, spaced out over a number of hours. It would involve a fair bit of walking and carrying, and likely all shots would be very deliberate and taken from a rest. Sounds to me like a perfect scenario for a single-shot rifle, and the exact opposite of the situation where I might find a big mag useful. But to each his own...and that, boys and girls, is true even when the other guy believes the opposite of what you believe.
We have guys who spend big bucks on a lightweight rifle, and then spend more big bucks on replacement parts that lighten it further. Titanium this, magnesium that, carbon fibre here, skeletonization there...cool, I just doubled the cost I have into this rifle but I've shaved off three ounces!!! Sure, many of them then slap on 3-pound riflescopes and 10-round mags weighing a pound and a half, but it's their choice to do so. I get that, but...what is so horrible about asking for their rationale?
If not for this thread, I'd never have thought about shooting at herds of pigs charging across my field of fire...or about some types of rifle competitions...but I don't do that stuff, so why would I? Those things don't factor into my decisions regarding rifles, but having them brought to my attention I can certainly see that big mags would be useful for them. They're obviously not just for cold-weather porch plinking, even if that's all that I find them useful for.
Seriously, a lot of you guys sound literally desperate to not merely explain the big mags...but to make it sound as if they have no drawbacks. Everything has advantages and disadvantages, and to refuse to acknowledge that is silly.
When the question is "Why....?" the answer should not be "How dare you ask?"
Apparently 3 short paragraphs and 3 pictures now constitutes an in-depth journalistic point-by-point analysis
When it comes to hunting rifles, we have many choices, so people should pick what they like and discuss the pros and cons of what they have actually used. I bet 90% of the people on this thread that say derogatory things about hunting rifles with longer mags have little or zero experience with actually hunting with them.
Every rifle is going to have pros and cons and some may be better than others depending on the application.
When it comes to hunting rifles, we have many choices, so people should pick what they like and discuss the pros and cons of what they have actually used. I bet 90% of the people on this thread that say derogatory things about hunting rifles with longer mags have little or zero experience with actually hunting with them.
Every rifle is going to have pros and cons and some may be better than others depending on the application.
Apparently 3 short paragraphs and 3 pictures now constitutes an in-depth journalistic point-by-point analysis
When it comes to hunting rifles, we have many choices, so people should pick what they like and discuss the pros and cons of what they have actually used. I bet 90% of the people on this thread that say derogatory things about hunting rifles with longer mags have little or zero experience with actually hunting with them.
Every rifle is going to have pros and cons and some may be better than others depending on the application.
I’d bet that 90% of that 90% are never more than a few steps from their 4 wheelers anyway
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Apparently 3 short paragraphs and 3 pictures now constitutes an in-depth journalistic point-by-point analysis
When it comes to hunting rifles, we have many choices, so people should pick what they like and discuss the pros and cons of what they have actually used. I bet 90% of the people on this thread that say derogatory things about hunting rifles with longer mags have little or zero experience with actually hunting with them.
Every rifle is going to have pros and cons and some may be better than others depending on the application.
That's because most people these days are too lazy to do their own research, and too stupid to comprehend or understand basic facts they acquire/are told, these people also tend to not care what others think, feel or want and to them only what they want matters.
OP expecting nobody to have 10 or more round mags without realizing 10 is quite literally the minimum amount to have a double digit count of rounds in your magazine. Evidently OP is a fudd who only cares about his opinion and nobody else matters. It is very evident throughout this thread. Unfortunately, there's no law that makes being stupid or that behavior illegal, and people have the right to their opinions, doesn't mean we have to respect them though!
You gave people facts, with reasonable justification, and now they are mesmerized by your post
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Apparently 3 short paragraphs and 3 pictures now constitutes an in-depth journalistic point-by-point analysis
When it comes to hunting rifles, we have many choices, so people should pick what they like and discuss the pros and cons of what they have actually used. I bet 90% of the people on this thread that say derogatory things about hunting rifles with longer mags have little or zero experience with actually hunting with them.
Every rifle is going to have pros and cons and some may be better than others depending on the application.
Lol, this may be the first post of yours with which I agree completely!
That's the question we should all be discussing.
Hahahaha, ^^^that is a novel I’m never going to read.
Yeah...for some people, reading is hard...
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Very good jjohnwm, very good. The hunting rifles without Big Tacticool Mags have been on the market from the very beginning of rifles and that was some years ago - let's say some hundreds of years ago. For big game hunting, a lot of rounds in the rifle (magazine) or on the rifle is not really needed. The generally accepted dogma for big game hunting is that the first round will do - or at least should do. And this thread is about hunting rifles, after all.
Nobody here is implying that self defense with a hunting rifle - against numerous nasty bipeds - is permitted in the deep woods of Kanuckistan, no ? The Pope and the plice would disapprove - I am quite sure. Quite.
But of course, a lot of rounds instantly available in and on a hunting rifle could be reassuring if the hunter expects to miss his quarry - a lot.
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