Dude, no one works in inches. Just stop.
Opinions on caliber for coyote?
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FatCatsDad
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It's all convertible, but it doesn't matter.
I won't participate with uncivil men.
Can't wait for your next thread about shooting rabbits 12" under the snow at 650 yards with a 22 short
tactical lever
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Dropping 60"???
tactical lever
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Who zeros a .243 at 100?
Probably just about every middle of the road scope made has enough adjustment....
Turn the elevation turret. That's what its for.
Scopes adjust in an angular measurement, not linear. Scope adjustments are in either Minute of Angle or Milliradians. One MOA is approximately 1" at 100 yds, 2" at 200 yds etc. One Mil is approx 3.6" at 100 yds etc etc.
60" at 800 yds is only 7.5 MOA. Not overly difficult to find a scope that will do that.
Not sure I'd use a 243 on deer at that kind of distance but I can tell you that a 243 will smoke a 308 from the muzzle out to 1200 yds when the 308 drops below the speed of sound. The 243 will then keep on going and going. The 243 is a seriously under appreciated round.
FWIW I guarantee I have shot a 243 to a further distance than anyone on this board, likely a lot further. So I have a wee bit of experience with the cartridge.
I do. I came up in long range shooting at a time when second focal plane scopes had MIL reticles and MOA turrets. I speak both.
FatCatsDad
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Pretty self explanatory,.Dropping 60"???
You sure flip flop in another thread your saying 800 yard shots are improbable but in this thread you sound like taking deer at 775 is an everyday thing......didn't you write this?
I can't really claim to be an expert on long range, but there are a couple, few challenges associated with it. One is accurate ranging, where just being off by 10 yards could mean an error of around 6" in trajectory. The bigger issue is wind. Extreme range stuff like 800 yards is improbable, due to varied conditions and topography. Just an average wind speed of 5 mph halfway down the range perpendicular to your bullet path, could throw your bullet off by a foot, turning a marginal shot into a horrible one. And likely you wouldn't even notice.
tactical lever
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That's not flip flopping. I didn't say I'd take a deer at close to 800 yards with a .243. Or anything for that matter.
I'm commenting on your grasp of ballistics. Your math is way off on the drop, and then you claim that a few MOA is somehow impossible to dial in for some reason. Under 8 MOA is nothing. For example, a Vortex Razor 3-9x40 has 90 MOA built into it. If everything is fairly straight and level, your zero should fall somewhere in the middlish, leaving you probably 40 MOA of elevation adjustment left. That converts to 320" at 800 yards.
You're kinda out of your element arguing with guys on what a rifle can or can't do, when there's definitely a disparity in knowledge. You have yet to state your arbitrary parameters but to say a .243 is too small, and a .300 Mag is too big. Completely ignoring that there's probably a dozen different .30 cal magnums, and a hundred different bullets to pick from! If you think the .243 is marginal at X range, just add 300 yards for a .300 WM and it'll be completely marginal too!
tactical lever
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I don't know what's happened to this site. I used to recommend it. On the recent threads I've dabbled in this past week; one fella thinks that elk are easy to kill with a .223 because someone on another site has done it. Another couple guys are going to load their rifles to 80 000 psi because they figure they have strong actions and they're going to "brass" that's partly made of steel. Now I find that .243 don't kill deer worth a hoot, but a .30 cal blows 'em up! Sounds like another one of those near miss by a .50 BMG fairy tales.
I think I'll invest heavily in some liquor; pull some 7.62x39 steel case bullets so I can load them up properly at 700 000 kpa, and dig up my site adjustment tool. Because those SKS irons have more adjustment in them for long range shooting than scopes; and go hunt some grizzly bears on the moon.
We need a mandatory picture Monday; where everyone has to prove the crap they've been talking about the week before!
These sites have really went to crap!
I think I'll invest heavily in some liquor; pull some 7.62x39 steel case bullets so I can load them up properly at 700 000 kpa, and dig up my site adjustment tool. Because those SKS irons have more adjustment in them for long range shooting than scopes; and go hunt some grizzly bears on the moon.
We need a mandatory picture Monday; where everyone has to prove the crap they've been talking about the week before!
These sites have really went to crap!
I zero all my centerfire rifles at 100.
But that’s 3.
I compete with a .223 at 900 meters and the electronic targets pick up my 95 grain bullet with no problem, I don't see an issue with something like a 22/250 making the trip out there at all, except for wind.
As long as you have a fast twist in that rifle ( at least a 1:9 for a 69 grain bullet)
It's all on the shooter , and that includes owning the shot at whatever range close or far they choose to shoot an animal at
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Pretty sure there are a lot of great shots on the board who still aren't taking deer with 22LRs. "Can it be done" was never the question
Just like "would you stand in front of it" doesn't really measure whether something will ethically take deer.
Totally on board with zeroing at 100 yards/meters though. Why not? Or any other distance anyone wants to zero at. The whole one being better than the other thing is way overblown.
Where you zero you rifle/cartridge combo depends on what you want to use it for. Some folks like to run a 100 yd/meter zero and adjust from there, some use PBR, some prefer longer range zeroes. I find it all depends what I wish to accomplish, and there is no single "right way". Back to the OP's concern, yes, a 243 will work very well on coyotes and deer, out to any reasonable range. - dan
Gcola, for many years I shot 2 different 243s at coyotes. I used some 46 gr custom bullets from Calgary(brand ?) to 100s.I found it a great coyote killer as well as an ok deer gun. 87 gr bullets are good but don’t shoot the shoulder. The 243 is good for field shooting where you might shoot 400+. I have used 22 hornet as a calling gun for under 100. 222,223,22-250 and 220 swift have all killed coyotes for me, but my go to was the 243. Hope this helps with out a pissing match that helps none.
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Ditto!.....
You can zero at 100 and still dial for 300 and shoot PBR. The main reason for zeroing at 100 is that it takes just about all environmentals out of the equation. If you zero at 300, can you ever be sure that’s your true zero, or just your zero on that day?
