30-30 a 200 yds cartridge?
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I heard that BS before too, guy said he could run faster than a 3030 round, I implored him to start running, ha ha.
The 3030 is a fast cartridge, 200 yards is covered in about 0.3 seconds with a 3030.
Sure, if you ignore the part where the OP is using factory ammo in a CIL 830.
I have worked with several of the Savage and C.I.L. 840/340 rifles in 30/30 and found them more than adequate accuracy wise for 200 yard deer- or moose for that matter.
Cat
I wasn't commenting on the accuracy, I was commenting on the whole "You can load it with pointy bullets and crank up the pressure to increase performance!" idea, which is totally doable in many rifles, but is wholly irrelevant to the OP who is shooting factory ammo.
Even with factory ammo it will do it .
Cat
The amount of Deer, Bear and Moose either the 30-30 or 32 Spcl have accounted for over the last Century on this continent has to be truly staggering.
That said… The 30-30 is like any Cal, if you know its’ limits and stay within it, it works.
Why do we even keep having these debates???? Nothing else going on in peoples lives??? Or we just all feel the need to prove "MY" point, or add drama to our lives?
Yes its been done, yes it will keep getting it done.
Is the cartridge capable? Yes! Does everyone do this? No! Is everyone capable? No!
Is the OP capable? By the sounds of his shooting, Yes!
I proved to myself last year that a 450 Bushmaster is more than capable as a great moose/elk cartridge, and even at a decent distance. I practice with it out to 500m, and practice quick reloading as it is a single shot rifle. MOST will say it is at best a deer cartridge under 200yrds. I just laugh and carry on! Best part it also has better ballistics then the 45/70, and less kick. But that is another debatable topic for its own thread I guess, where we can go back and forth on why it is or isn't!!
Yes its been done, yes it will keep getting it done.
Is the cartridge capable? Yes! Does everyone do this? No! Is everyone capable? No!
Is the OP capable? By the sounds of his shooting, Yes!
I proved to myself last year that a 450 Bushmaster is more than capable as a great moose/elk cartridge, and even at a decent distance. I practice with it out to 500m, and practice quick reloading as it is a single shot rifle. MOST will say it is at best a deer cartridge under 200yrds. I just laugh and carry on! Best part it also has better ballistics then the 45/70, and less kick. But that is another debatable topic for its own thread I guess, where we can go back and forth on why it is or isn't!!
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Yer spot on with all points. I've always taken meat critters inside 120 yds but plenty of others have got meat at much further distances.
No flies on the 30-30 or the 450 BM, that's fer sure. Long time reloader of the 30-30 and recently 450 BM. I love 'em both.
This is an interesting point that recently came up in my experience.
And I think it's relevant to this thread because some seem to be worried about a given bullet from a .30-30 expanding at the lower velocities it will experience at ### yards.
Watched a moose get shot with a .270 WSM, 130 gr. Win Supreme Elite XP3 factory ammo (out of production but possibly the best hunting bullet I've ever seen). Range just over 500 yards.
Bullet entered between ribs, punched a .277" hole in the center of the heart, and broke up in the opposite shoulder knuckle. Only a couple of small flakes of copper recovered.
How did the moose react? It stayed in our view and took probably 60-90 seconds for it to lay down, and when we got up to it had to finish it with another round because it still had its head up. Was this "dead enough"? I would say yes, although with more expansion in the soft tissue it would probably have expired more quickly. What would have happened with a lung hit, no heart? Hard to say.
So if the OP shoots his deer at 200 yards and gets the same hit and his chosen bullet doesn't expand much, if at all... he still very likely has a dead deer. If I had to bet money I'd say most any factory 30-30 bullet is going to expand fairly well at 200 yards + but haven't tested that.
Thunderhog
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Those are my favorite posts. "Why are we having this discussion" followed by 20 sentences of text continuing the discussion lolAnd yet here you are commenting like all of us, go figure!.......
