Beretta 1301 Mod 2 - What's Up With Canadian Versions?

GimpyGolden said:
It's a sticking point for that member. He always poo-poo's on semi auto's claiming they can only hold 5 rounds.
I was pointing out the fact that five 3" shells equals six 2 3/4's plus you get one on the lifter and one chambered.
I do agree with him that such limits on semis over pump shotguns is just dumb.
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Richard. It's not a sticking point with me, and I don't poo-poo semi autos. Where do you get that from? The OP was asking why Canadian versions have a shorter mag tube than the exact same shotgun sold in the states. I suggested the reason is because of our mag limitations, but you seem to disagree...so please do elucidate...why pray tell does the Canadian version have a shorter mag tube if not for our magazine limitations?
 
Painkillers said:
Richard. It's not a sticking point with me, and I don't poo-poo semi autos. Where do you get that from? The OP was asking why Canadian versions have a shorter mag tube than the exact same shotgun sold in the states. I suggested the reason is because of our mag limitations, but you seem to disagree...so please do elucidate...why pray tell does the Canadian version have a shorter mag tube if not for our magazine limitations?
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James actually šŸ˜
I am not going to go back digging through your posts here and elsewhere but you have stated there is no point running a semi in Canada due to mag limits and that a pump is as fast. You have stated the limit is 5 rounds which is technically correct but not the reality we live with when running 2 3/4" shells and a ghost load.

I'll give you that I am off original question but I did not steer us here, just followed the flow of the conversation.
For sure the Mod 2 is sold without the extension (by most dealers) because of limits, though it doesn't have to be should the dealer decide to block to not more then 5 rounds of 3" shells.
 
Painkillers said:
The 1301 has a 3" chamber. So, as thegazzelle says, the most the tube can hold is 5 rounds of 3" shells...which probably equates to 6, 2.75" shells. 6+1 if chambered. Ghost loading would be 6+2 and if you want to risk shooting your own foot off, or jamming the gun when you'd need it to work, you could load it that way I suppose? Or, if it's mag capacity you're looking for, just get a pump. It's really not that much slower.
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Painkillers said:
Semi-auto centerfire=5 rounds. Kinda takes the allure out of a semi-auto shotgun, for me anyway.
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ok I lied, I dug up two posts in this thread where you poo-poo semi auto's.
You prefer pumps, that is fine.
I've never seen a 1301 jam a ghost load, lesser semi's yes. As to shooting your foot off, that's on you.
I'm not going to argue on the speed between pump and semi as anyone can see that's a silly comparison
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Bottom line is on a 1301T we get 1 less round than the yanks with the extension blocked to 5.9 rounds of 3" shells.
 
GimpyGolden said:
ok I lied, I dug up two posts in this thread where you poo-poo semi auto's.
You prefer pumps, that is fine.
I've never seen a 1301 jam a ghost load, lesser semi's yes. As to shooting your foot off, that's on you.
I'm not going to argue on the speed between pump and semi as anyone can see that's a silly comparison
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Bottom line is on a 1301T we get 1 less round than the yanks with the extension blocked to 5.9 rounds of 3" shells.
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...or, bottom line is the mag tube is shorter because of our mag limitations.

Now be a pet, run along and go waste someone else's time. Before we were crudely interrupted, the adults were talking.
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Painkillers said:
...or, bottom line is the mag tube is shorter because of our mag limitations.

Now be a pet, run along and go waste someone else's time. Before we were crudely interrupted, the adults were talking.
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Of course that is why most dealers sell it with the shorter tube, no one is denying this.
Nice self portrait and, if I am wasting your time don't read or reply to my posts, better yet put me on 'ignore'
 
I've gone to 3-gun shoots before with a shotgun set up the way most of us agree should be legal but it's still questionable. The gun manufactures believe Canada's legal limit is 5rds of 2 3/4". It's actually a video I'd like to see Ian Runkel do to see what his opinion is.
 
Italian Sporting Goods said:
I've gone to 3-gun shoots before with a shotgun set up the way most of us agree should be legal but it's still questionable. The gun manufactures believe Canada's legal limit is 5rds of 2 3/4". It's actually a video I'd like to see Ian Runkel do to see what his opinion is.
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Are others considering it questionable because your setup puts them at a disadvantage?
The law is 5 rounds in the magazine of whatever length shell the gun is chambered for, says nothing about shorter shells. The lifter or "ghost load" is not part of the magazine and one in the chamber applies no matter the action.

You could jam a bunch of mini shells in a mag tube, sure the Lib's won't like it but the law is the law and they wrote em.
I don't see where it's questionable unless it's from someone who can't get a ghost load or didn't (legally) max out their extension as they're then at a disadvantage.
 
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