Hornaday is at it again... This will keep the fan-boys running back for the latest/greatest. .25 CM

We need the .326 Ackley Improved Creedmoor Super Short Express Magnum Deluxe Rimmed; chamber the Win 94 in this fantastic new monster-slayer whizbang cartridge to get another century out of the old levergun and turn it into the long-range masterpiece we all dream of. Of course, it'll need a gain-twist-rifled barrel to handle the depleted-uranium bullets used in the new LeverRenovation loadings (with the silicone tips, carbon-fiber stabilizing fins and break-away polymer sabot base), and naturally a new scope with a cartridge-specific multi-crosshair reticle custom etched for trajectory up to 4 miles.

I want that glaring niche filled, dammit! :)
 
I'm liking the renewed interest in the 257 bullets.
The 25 cm is designed for the prc crowd. It bests the 6.5cm with less recoil
It shoots faster and flatter and has less wind drift than the 6.5cm.
If you want to win in anything you'll use whatever gives you an advantage even if it's only a small gain

For me I'm not interested in the 25cm at all although I'm sure I'd be a great coyote and deer round. I just want more options for heavier 257 bullets and the 25cm is paving the path for that
 
quarterman said:
...should be a good deer cartridge.
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Oh, for crying out loud...everything is a good deer cartridge.

That's the funny part of this; the incessant justification and rationalization for every new thing that comes onto the market. There are a few guys who are honest with themselves and others, and just come out and admit that they like playing with new cartridges, experimenting and tinkering for its own sake. For them it's fun, and that's the best reason for getting new guns or cartridges or motorcycles or knives or almost any hobby-related toys and gadgets. It's the old need vs. want thing; the vast majority of guns purchased by the vast majority of shooters are not needed; they're just wanted, and that's perfectly fine.

But there seem to be many more guys who have to pretend that the tiny advantages and advancements that each Shiny New Thing brings to the table are earth-shattering improvements that take their shooting to new undreamed-of heights. Or at least, that's how they justify buying the toys that they like; they convince themselves that the gaping chasm between, for example, the .300's and .338's needs a few new bullet diameters to bridge it, or that a 5% increase in velocity at equivalent pressures is going to change the world, or that shortening the bolt throw by 0.1 inches is going to turn them into super snipers.

Then again, if the new gizmo doesn't turn their crank, then they do a reverse-justification, an inverse rationalization; "But, what's it for? What good is it? What will you use it on? What's its purpose? Why do you need that?"

Phew! I'll tell you this: being a hater is hard work...:)
 
Before the internet we had hand loaders and wildcatters necking cartridges up and down, shortening them, and blowing out ccase walls every day, some before they hit the market.
They communicated by magazine articles, books, the telephone, and weekly or monthy meetings
The Internet has changed all that , as has the availability of these cartridges to the general shooting public.
the 'net has allowed widespread and instant communication, which can be both good and bad.
Personally, for me anyway, I see it from both sides.
On one hand , it's nice to see this information being shared en masse.
On the other hand, this same information needs to be analyzed like anything else, the good stuff kept and the bad stuff thrown out.
Frank Barnes once said something in one of his Cartridges of the World editions about a person's Screaming Glockenspiel Wildcat being the rage of the local county, but the boys next door not giving two hoots about t.
I pretty much follow this way of thinking.
If I want to build another rifle to hold a certain cartridge, it certainly won't be because it is an Earth Shattering , complete break through cartridge that is going to change the World, with accuracy, recoil reduction and power second to none, there just ain't now thing in the modern World.
It could be fun, however......
Cat
 
BlackPowderBurner said:
It's new and therefore good. Just buy the lifestyle bro. It would be nice to see something actually new and interesting for once.
And no, cartridges designed to comply with onerous nonsense like 350 legend are not interesting.


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35 Rem ballistics out of 16" barreled handy bolt guns etc aren't interesting? Speak for yourself lol
 
I haven't viewed any statistics on the 25CM however, I can only think that it woud be equivalent/ballistic twin to the 257 Roberts.
 
I just put one together recently for my son. It just made more sense than the 6 or 6.5. The 6 is a bit overbore and the 6.5 is a little slow. I think the gt, or dasher case is about the right size for heavy 6mm bullets and the prc or 284 win case is right for heavy 6.5s.

I should be resizing my first batch of brass this week, but it looks like my old 6.5 creedmoor redding dies should work with just buying a new bushing so it’s almost no investment in new gear to shoot it for me and there’s a touch advantage. Small rifle primer brass and lots available, you can neck 6mm up easily or 6.5 down.

The only negative is heavy bullet selection and finding them in stock.
 
iron cat said:
Before the internet we had hand loaders and wildcatters necking cartridges up and down, shortening them, and blowing out ccase walls every day, some before they hit the market.
They communicated by magazine articles, books, the telephone, and weekly or monthy meetings
The Internet has changed all that , as has the availability of these cartridges to the general shooting public.
the 'net has allowed widespread and instant communication, which can be both good and bad.
Personally, for me anyway, I see it from both sides.
On one hand , it's nice to see this information being shared en masse.
On the other hand, this same information needs to be analyzed like anything else, the good stuff kept and the bad stuff thrown out.
Frank Barnes once said something in one of his Cartridges of the World editions about a person's Screaming Glockenspiel Wildcat being the rage of the local county, but the boys next door not giving two hoots about t.
I pretty much follow this way of thinking.
If I want to build another rifle to hold a certain cartridge, it certainly won't be because it is an Earth Shattering , complete break through cartridge that is going to change the World, with accuracy, recoil reduction and power second to none, there just ain't now thing in the modern World.
It could be fun, however......
Cat
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Exactly, individuals tinkering and creating a community of like minded tinkerers is a great hobby. Having companies release the new hot thing every single year for the sake of hyped up marketing is a joke and should be treated as such.
Joel said:
35 Rem ballistics out of 16" barreled handy bolt guns etc aren't interesting? Speak for yourself lol
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Speak for myself? Who else do you think I’m speaking for 😂
 
It is sad that there's already been some really good quarter bore cartridges but marketeers need to do this.
The 25 souper would have done just fine and had a decent sized family.
Now that the CR family is getting bigger it makes sense for this to be done. The case shape development falls in line with what they're doing, but limits the success if the other ammo makers don't mass it.
I've got a 25-06 and don't like the long action, I like the minis so a short action is long to me.
If someone wants to trade me one for a 25-06 let me know 😉.
 
I started tinkering in my reloading room, thinking about creating something new, neck up a .270 to .358 thinking I was the ultimate wildcatter, then the small dim light bulb in my brain went on and decided I best go pull weeds in the garden.
The whole thing is a form of mental disorder I am sure.
 
ghughes said:
It is sad that there's already been some really good quarter bore cartridges but marketeers need to do this.
The 25 souper would have done just fine and had a decent sized family.
Now that the CR family is getting bigger it makes sense for this to be done. The case shape development falls in line with what they're doing, but limits the success if the other ammo makers don't mass it.
I've got a 25-06 and don't like the long action, I like the minis so a short action is long to me.
If someone wants to trade me one for a 25-06 let me know 😉.
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I had a Souper I built on a 788 years back. Very accurate rifle. Only a 1-10 twist though. - dan
 
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