Hornaday is at it again... This will keep the fan-boys running back for the latest/greatest. .25 CM

guntech said:
What happened to the 25 - 284 Winchester?

Oh I remember... poor bullet choices...

Will this latest be any different?
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Hornaday will make one of about the same quality as most of their bullets; few, if any, even come close to Sierra based on past experience.
 
Joel said:
have a hard time warming up to it here too. Respect it, but just can't seem to really like it.
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I get it
I bought a stainless one in 6.5 grendel.
Its a very nice action but i had to buy the bougie bottom metal from the US.
Its accurate, reasonably light and there’s nothing not to like but I just don’t feel like I’m gaga for it.
I so love the carteidge so I Might trick it out eventually.
 
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Beeron said:
I get it
I bought a stainless one in 6.5 grendel.
Its a very nice action but i had to buy the bougie bottom metal from the US.
Its accurate, reasonably light and there’s nothing not to like but I just don’t feel like I’m gaga for it.
Might trick it out eventually.
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Summed it up perfectly, all of that.

Well made, handy, but...in the words of Marie Kondo, does not spark joy haha.

If you do trick it out, hope you have fun with it!
 
I personally find it hard to justify. I run a 6.5 Creed with 136gr Scenar L & can push them over 2800fps, but don't. At 2800fps my 500yrd drop is 40". The 25 Creed claims 2800fps with thier 134gr ELD-M with a 500yrd drop of 40.6" I fail to see the benefit other than possibly slightly higher BC's.
 
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iron cat said:
Before the internet we had hand loaders and wildcatters necking cartridges up and down, shortening them, and blowing out ccase walls every day, some before they hit the market.
They communicated by magazine articles, books, the telephone, and weekly or monthy meetings
The Internet has changed all that , as has the availability of these cartridges to the general shooting public.
the 'net has allowed widespread and instant communication, which can be both good and bad.
Personally, for me anyway, I see it from both sides.
On one hand , it's nice to see this information being shared en masse.
On the other hand, this same information needs to be analyzed like anything else, the good stuff kept and the bad stuff thrown out.
Frank Barnes once said something in one of his Cartridges of the World editions about a person's Screaming Glockenspiel Wildcat being the rage of the local county, but the boys next door not giving two hoots about t.
I pretty much follow this way of thinking.
If I want to build another rifle to hold a certain cartridge, it certainly won't be because it is an Earth Shattering , complete break through cartridge that is going to change the World, with accuracy, recoil reduction and power second to none, there just ain't now thing in the modern World.
It could be fun, however......
Cat
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Fun is the reason for doing all of the above, if a person can afford it.

The 25CM has been done by "wildcatters" for years, it just wasn't standardized for legal reasons and commercial viability.

It's going to be a capable and fun cartridge for those who want it and want to try something different.

I've seen two versions already, both were made with slightly modified reamers. One had a bit less case capacity because the original 6.5CM reamer had a small chip out of the shoulder area and it was ground to eliminate it, making for quite a long neck. The same reamer was used to make up a set of dies for forming the cases.

The second version was just the opposite. A special reamer was ordered from Clymer with a 60 degree shoulder and a .470 diameter at the shoulder the shoulder length from base was 1.725, leaving a very short neck. A special set of dies was ordered for this rifle as well.

Both of these fellows like to "play" with new stuff and are well enough heeled to be able to afford it.

When we compared results between my 257 Rob and their "wonder" cases the results were very similar. The second version had a very slight velocity advantage and it may give better case life, because of the extreme shoulder and very slight case taper. Likely we will never find out because their "custom" ideas change on whims of the moment and none of us will live long enough to wear the rifles out.

The 25CM was likely created by the designer of the original 6.5CM case, and drawings went in at the same time for perusal by the research and development staff, then on to a BOD to decide which caliber they should "float" out to the public first, based on money of course.

This isn't rocket science or alchemy. It's just the normal progression of making something good a "bit" better for some people.

Fun is what it's mainly about for most of us in this sport, some take it a bit more seriously than others and some take on to as the fellow from Black Hills state "Obsession, now we're talking romance."
 
Joel said:
Weren't/not a fan of the ELDMs?



have a hard time warming up to it here too. Respect it, but just can't seem to really like it.
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Tried in 6.5 x 55 and a few different bullets of theirs in .224; they are OK but not great. Sierra remains my go-to.
 
Meroh said:
Tried in 6.5 x 55 and a few different bullets of theirs in .224; they are OK but not great. Sierra remains my go-to.
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Cool. Don't think I ever really got to try their 6.5 offerings. Shooting a lot of ELD and their FMJs in 223, along with the Sierra 77gr TMK.

Not for hunting, tho.
 
bearhunter said:
Fun is the reason for doing all of the above, if a person can afford it.

The 25CM has been done by "wildcatters" for years, it just wasn't standardized for legal reasons and commercial viability.

It's going to be a capable and fun cartridge for those who want it and want to try something different.

I've seen two versions already, both were made with slightly modified reamers. One had a bit less case capacity because the original 6.5CM reamer had a small chip out of the shoulder area and it was ground to eliminate it, making for quite a long neck. The same reamer was used to make up a set of dies for forming the cases.

The second version was just the opposite. A special reamer was ordered from Clymer with a 60 degree shoulder and a .470 diameter at the shoulder the shoulder length from base was 1.725, leaving a very short neck. A special set of dies was ordered for this rifle as well.

Both of these fellows like to "play" with new stuff and are well enough heeled to be able to afford it.

When we compared results between my 257 Rob and their "wonder" cases the results were very similar. The second version had a very slight velocity advantage and it may give better case life, because of the extreme shoulder and very slight case taper. Likely we will never find out because their "custom" ideas change on whims of the moment and none of us will live long enough to wear the rifles out.

The 25CM was likely created by the designer of the original 6.5CM case, and drawings went in at the same time for perusal by the research and development staff, then on to a BOD to decide which caliber they should "float" out to the public first, based on money of course.

This isn't rocket science or alchemy. It's just the normal progression of making something good a "bit" better for some people.

Fun is what it's mainly about for most of us in this sport, some take it a bit more seriously than others and some take on to as the fellow from Black Hills state "Obsession, now we're talking romance."
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I think the 131 blackjack was where people realized the potential of the 1/4 creedmoor. I think the lack of heavy bullets was the problem before, but it seems like sierra, hornady and berger have jumped on board with target bullets. Now we just need nosler to make us some good hunting bullets and we can all bury our 6.5 creeds out in the pasture somewhere.
 
DaedalusX said:
I’d much rather have a Saami 25SAUM/25 PRC than a 25 creed. The guys at WTO already are making a 25-7PRC launching the 135gr at 3200FPS out of a 22-24in barrel with N560 in a medium length action.
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Not as accurate ! Burn to much Powder and are too overbore for any barrel life . more Recoil etc etc BUT Ok as a hunting round ! JMO RJ
 
anyone paying attention to the PRS world can see where the 25cr came from, it fills a small niche between two cartridges each with desired attributes so this one pulls together a few details that some shooters want
Hornady will love that it spills over to the new hunter world, so of course the natural progression will be suitable bullets

Does any other company put the effort into design and testing of products that Hornady does? idts
 
I do love my .250-3000 Ackley. As previously said, this nearly-identical cartridge is basically a true short-action .257 Roberts; a really nice low-recoil package, but a real niche market. The faster-twist barrels will allow bullets heavier than 120 grains, but to what end? Much as I love the Bob, the Savage, and the .25-06, I can't see another quarter-bore catching on.
 
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