10/22 vs TM-22. Is the 10/22 overrated/outdated? (not for sensitive 10/22 fanboys)

I never chased tight groups before but then I picked up a 10/22 competition custom shop and got 10mm groups at 50m with a $40 Simmons scope and had an awakening.

Also that was with new production Remington thunderbolt on a bag rest which made the range day extra unusual. I switched from S&B standard and the target went from typical 22LR scatter plot to clovers which was jaw dropping. I need to set up and collect the data for the 1/2 group thread.

I went with the 10/22 CSC because I didn't have any desire to "build" a gun and spend lots of money on shipping and fettling.

The features and the sum of the custom shop's work is excellent and delivers as much accuracy as anyone can expect from a 10/22.

My guns like Aguila so the need for premium ammo is moot if you ask me.
 
AfroCowboy said:
I never chased tight groups before but then I picked up a 10/22 competition custom shop and got 10mm groups at 50m with a $40 Simmons scope and had an awakening.

Also that was with new production Remington thunderbolt which made the range day extra unusual. I switched from S&B standard and the target went from typical 22LR scatter plot to clovers which was jaw dropping. I need to set up and collect the data for the 1/2 group thread.

I went with the 10/22 CSC because I didn't have any desire to "build" a gun and spend lots of money on shipping and fettling.

The features and the sum of the custom shop's work is excellent and delivers as much accuracy as anyone can expect from a 10/22.
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Imagine what you could have done with a proper rilfe... ;)
You nailed it tho.."as much accuracy as anyone can expect from a 10/22"
Expensive junk... is still junk.
R.
 
667 said:
10/22 is a proven product... I hate the magazines though.
The derya is a cruder, cappy triggered with no upgrade options, but... its box mag fed.
If/once you get it to run reliably its a decent choice for action shooting.
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I don't find the trigger to be crappy, mind you I don't have any real high dollar aftermarket triggers to compare it to so perhaps I don't know what I'm missing.

I have no reliability issues with mine beyond what you'd expect when using crappy bulk ammo in any semi auto. Give them a steady diet of a more consistent ammo like CCI and they're good to go.
 
667 said:
10/22 is a proven product... I hate the magazines though.
The derya is a cruder, crappy triggered with no upgrade options, but... its box mag fed.
If/once you get it to run reliably its a decent choice for action shooting.
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I've had a RIA Derya TM-22 Feather for around two years. It has an excellent 2 lbf trigger pull. It already has about 2,600 rounds through the pipe and it never had any malfunction (https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/armscor-derya-tm22-feather.2438899/). It's a very accurate little 22LR rifle.
 
The MAIN appeal of the 10/22 platform is customizability.

They are like "leggo" guns. There is an almost infinite amount of options out there...

- Barrel materials and lengths.
- Chassis options. Folding, wood, polymer, metal, AR style etc.
- Tons of trigger options.

Etc, Etc....

Do you want to build a 8" barrelled takedown model for your backpack?

Do you want to build an AR type replica?

Do you you want a fancy coloured wood? Thumb hole stock with heavy barrel?

Do you want a carbon fibre superlight build?

You can build anything you want. That is the main reason people love them! Myself included.
 
True Shadows said:
It's a semi not a bolt gun. It will never beat a bolt gun for accuracy... but that's true of any calibre.

You can get pretty good accuracy with the right build though.
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Can't disagree with that... it's just to get that pretty good accuracy, dollar for dollar, a fella should skip the fluff and head towards a decent bolt rifle that's up to the task, and then get real accuracy, not just pretty good.
A lot of fellers get sucked into 10/22's thinking they will have something when finished, accuracy wise... and they don't. Never will, either.

R.
 
After some grumbling on my part I took a buddies Derya TM up to the range . There is just no reason that semi has any right to be that accurate. Took it to the indoor range for bench testing and it’s a legit one hole grouping rifle - short .25 m
Absolutely gobsmacked . I own FAR more expensive Rimfire that I would not put $ on as too which is more accurate
 
OkayShooter said:
I got a 10/22 Target lite and accuracy is no better than a stock carbine.

Never got better than 1.8" @ 100 with them.
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My first 10/22 was a Target Heavy barrel, it was abysmal for grouping.
It was ages ago though, when you could order Green Mountain barrels for $100 shipped from the US.
That turned it into a shooter, no complaints after that. Did a few minor mods for reliability, radiused the rear of the bolt and stuck a VQ extractor in, Dlask charging handle/rod, that thing runs great, use to run the 25 round BC steel lips and never had any malfunctions.
It's still what I bring out for new shooters.
I did pick up a tm22, haven't shot it yet, I don't see it as any kind of premium design to be honest, lots of little dinky parts and pieces, little wonky to take apart to clean, did the Looney trick to prevent the charging handle from shearing off, known issue with these things. Mags apparently get destroyed from use due to the plastic follower being the bolt hold open device.
Looks cool though, except the pistol grip, for some reason they put it at an angle too forward, limits what you can replace it with.
I'll have to shoot it before making finial judgement on it lol.
 
Hitzy said:
My first 10/22 was a Target Heavy barrel, it was abysmal for grouping.
It was ages ago though, when you could order Green Mountain barrels for $100 shipped from the US.
That turned it into a shooter, no complaints after that. Did a few minor mods for reliability, radiused the rear of the bolt and stuck a VQ extractor in, Dlask charging handle/rod, that thing runs great, use to run the 25 round BC steel lips and never had any malfunctions.
It's still what I bring out for new shooters.
I did pick up a tm22, haven't shot it yet, I don't see it as any kind of premium design to be honest, lots of little dinky parts and pieces, little wonky to take apart to clean, did the Looney trick to prevent the charging handle from shearing off, known issue with these things. Mags apparently get destroyed from use due to the plastic follower being the bolt hold open device.
Looks cool though, except the pistol grip, for some reason they put it at an angle too forward, limits what you can replace it with.
I'll have to shoot it before making finial judgement on it lol.
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Target lites they took a bull barrel and after 4 inches they turned it down to pencil size then slid an alum tube over.

But the barrel was pushed up to the left side of the wood stock. It wasn't free floated. No matter now much I tried centering it. It wouldnt stay centered. Then notice the sleeve wasn't inline with the rest of the barrel.
 
OkayShooter said:
Target lites they took a bull barrel and after 4 inches they turned it down to pencil size then slid an alum tube over.

But the barrel was pushed up to the left side of the wood stock. It wasn't free floated. No matter now much I tried centering it. It wouldnt stay centered. Then notice the sleeve wasn't inline with the rest of the barrel.
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That's part of the reason I never bought anything with a carbon fiber wrapped barrel.
I just don't think any of them can perform like an actual heavy steel barrel... with that pencil profile steel and carbon wrap, no way they expand the same rate when heated up, and no way the carbon wrap is as tight as solid steel same profile.
Just my thoughts, I'm not an engineer lol.
I understand the weight savings, but what makes it better then a #1 steel pencil barrel other then the profile/look of it? I'm just not sold yet.
 
Hitzy said:
That's part of the reason I never bought anything with a carbon fiber wrapped barrel.
I just don't think any of them can perform like an actual heavy steel barrel... with that pencil profile steel and carbon wrap, no way they expand the same rate when heated up, and no way the carbon wrap is as tight as solid steel same profile.
Just my thoughts, I'm not an engineer lol.
I understand the weight savings, but what makes it better then a #1 steel pencil barrel other then the profile/look of it? I'm just not sold yet.
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I bought it because was lite and HB looks. But the accuracy ain't there.

Though I do like the 60th anniversary.
 
ssssssbob said:
Doesn't the Feather have issues with various ammo? Been contemplating between that and the 10/22
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I've shot the following: CCI Standard, TAC-22, CCI Mini Mag, Aguila Super Extra HP, Remington Golden Bullet, Remington Viper, CCI Singer, Federal Champion HP, Remington Thunderbolt RN, CCI-Clean-22 Truncat polymer coated, Fiocchi Field Dynamics HP and CCI Velocitor. Never had any hiccups. Like I mentioned earlier, I bought my Derya Feather directly from IRUNGUNS about two years ago. I'm not sure if the recent versions of the Feather are of the same quality as mine. That's all I can say.
 
I do not take issue with the belief that a really good bolt .22 in all probability will out shoot a really good 10/22. However to anyone who feels that a 10/22 cannot be competitive with a bolt gun should have a look at the successful 1/2" group fraternity posted elsewhere on this site.
 
Daniel G. Banting said:
I do not take issue with the belief that a really good bolt .22 in all probability will out shoot a really good 10/22. However to anyone who feels that a 10/22 cannot be competitive with a bolt gun should have a look at the successful 1/2" group fraternity posted elsewhere on this site.
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But there is what maybe 10 successful enteries? And most are heavily modified, with aftermarket barrels. Where alot of the bolts are factory barrels. 10/22 are like Jeeps. Good for light offroading stock. But in reality you need to change tires, add lift kit, skid plates, rocker guards and other mods to make them better.

Our club shoots, I never see a 10/22 do any better than middle of the pack. These shoots you can win with Cooey 39 and open sights.
 
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