SAVAGE Firearms are garbage

[mkrnel]

Plenty of companies have been using MIM for a while at this point. Ruger has been doing it for ages, and their guns are priced way higher than Savage.

Yeah, I know, but even Ruger switched from making their 10/22 trigger guards from cast or MIM to plastic because they were getting too many warranty claims for broken trigger guards when owners dropped their rifle and the MIM parts shattered or cracked. Same deal with the trigger and hammer as they also were being far too often being sent back for warranty repair.

Ruger transitioned the 10/22 trigger guard housing from MIM, or metal injection molding to a fiber-reinforced polymer (plastic) design around 2007. The change was made to improve manufacturing tolerances and part durability. The actual trigger blade and hammer within the 10/22 assembly were also changed to polymer at the same time as he trigger guard or housing material was switched for the same reason. The barrel band and butt plate on the 10/22 rifle was also changed from metal to plastic as mostly for cost-saving measures but the cast metal barrel band was also found to crack when over tightened. Ruger has focused on optimizing material usage for specific applications, using more robust materials like forged steel for high-pressure components such as bolts and front trunnions, and using cast or MIM parts for components under less stress. While these changes generated some initial "outrage" from traditionalist gun owners, the polymer parts are functional, help keep the price down, and can be more consistent in dimension than some of the older metal cast parts.

Apparently they did the same with other MIM or cast metal parts on other guns to either plastic or forged over the years for the same reason.

 

[mkrnel]

And many here know about the problems with M305 rifles when they switched from all forged to MIM parts for cost savings.

 

[Suther]

Yeah, I know, but even Ruger switched from making their 10/22 trigger guards from cast or MIM to plastic because they were getting too many warranty claims for broken trigger guards when owners dropped their rifle and the MIM parts shattered or cracked. Same deal with the trigger and hammer as they also were being far too often being sent back for warranty repair.







Apparently they did the same with other MIM or cast metal parts on other guns to either plastic or forged over the years for the same reason.

What's your source for that quote?

 

[*lawrence]

I have 3 MkII's and they are awesome

 

[johNTO]

My MKII TR looks and shoots great. Mags are kinda wimpy looking but work fine........

 

[murph83]

Sorry to hear about your experience with Savage. I have had the complete opposite experience, every Savage I have ever owned has run like a top, nothing has ever broke or needed replacing. Maybe I am just lucky, I have put hundreds of rounds through multiple different Savage hunting rifles with no issues. Have owned 3 different savage 22's..thousands of rounds later..not a single issue.

 

[Mr Bill]

The only Savages I liked were the Model 220 slug guns. With proper sabot slugs they were a game changer for deer hunters in shotgun only hunt areas. The centerfires were okay as a starter gun in my opinion for someone getting into hunting without wanting to burn a thousand bucks for a Tikka at the get go.

As for the rimfires, they are not in the same league as a CZ452 or CZ457. Not even close. But for a starter gun ??…..

 

[mkrnel]

What's your source for that quote?

A Ruger firearms forum.

 

[OkayShooter]

Yeah, I know, but even Ruger switched from making their 10/22 trigger guards from cast or MIM to plastic because they were getting too many warranty claims for broken trigger guards when owners dropped their rifle and the MIM parts shattered or cracked. Same deal with the trigger and hammer as they also were being far too often being sent back for warranty repair.

And yet those metal parts are sought after, as the plastic parts suck.

 

[Canadiankeeper]

Yup, bought a Savage Ultralite in 6.5 and it looked nice shot pretty well but for that price the action was crap, didn't feed well, was not smooth. Sold it bought another Tikka and will never sway again.

about a decade of firearms ownership. Dont think ill ever buy anything other then tikka. (For rifles)

 

[mkrnel]

And yet those metal parts are sought after, as the plastic parts suck.

You can actually buy aftermarket metal parts that are not cast or MIM and even new all metal trigger assemblies from a bunch of after market retailers if you want to replace the newer plastic parts. But they are not cheap either.

OEM Ruger plastic trigger assembly

 

[m1008]

^ Kidd upgrade only works in the plastic Ruger housing for a reason.

Somehow the Steyr aug has gotten away way more plastic than just the housing since the late 70’s

 

[209jones]

About the only Savage products I have used that I would buy, are the o/u shotgun/ rifle combos, or the o/u's they had made by Valmet. As to bias against certain products from brands, ya, have those, Ruger 77 tang safety cost me a moose, won't buy anything but a #1 in Ruger, Cooey, Lakefield and Rem .22's, Browning BL22. Never owned a Marlin, not likely I ever will, Mossberg is now out, had a 500. Still trying to decide on the CZ457 as to keeping it or not, not real impressed with feeding.
Best .22's have been a Valmet singleshot, a Varner Stevens replica, Browning A bolt and T bolt, GSG STG44 was OK.