I’ve killed bears and deer with a .223, so I’m not sure if I really need the extreme stopping power if the x39
Why would you say the SKS would be MORE reliable ? Have you conducted any head to head tests ? Or seen any tests done ?
IWI CSR18 Carmel non restricted rifle with 18.6” Barrel
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I’ve killed bears and deer with a .223, so I’m not sure if I really need the extreme stopping power if the x39
Why would you say the SKS would be MORE reliable ? Have you conducted any head to head tests ? Or seen any tests done ?
You're seriously arguing that:
Contender #1
A gun designed at the BEGINNING of the Cold War, modified with a totally bastardized not-part-of-the-original-design magwell, to use 30-rd STANAG-style 7.62 mags (a compromise magazine design NOT known for stellar reliability), with ####ty cold-war ergonomics (right-side reciprocating charging handle, ####ty safety, not designed in any way to mount optics without using yet anothet bastardized contraption to kludge an optic onto it....). EVERY PART of it is proprietary, and not shared with any other platform. Parts? Nobody's making factory spares of any of the wear parts.... aftermarket stuff's available, but who knows the quality of those parts. Reliability as originally designed is great.... but with the aftermarket magwell? Not so much.
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Contender #2:
A modern design with excellent ergonomics, using the same basic design of bolt, bolt carrier, recoil system, and gas piston system that have ben proven reliable in literally dozens of other rifles. Built by a very experienced, well-respected arms designer and manufacturer. With excellent optic mounting options. Proprietary parts? Sure.... but LESS so than the SKS. So, a meaningless argument. Reliability and accuracy are a question, fair enough..... but reliability's unlikely to be WORSE than a heavily bubba'd SKS.
And the argument that 7.62x39 is better? I love the caliber, and it has its advantages, but it's in no way inherentl better than 556.
If you were arguing that a modern AK or later-model Galil SAR, or a tricked-out Vz58, was potentially superior to the Camel, you'd at least have some reasonable arguments. But a kludged SKS? You're either trolling, or high, or drunk, or a moron. I'm guessing a bit of all four. And this is coming from a guy who loves SKSs and 7.62x39.
Seriously, wtf. Go back to airsoft, or call of duty, or the bar. Just PLEASE stop sharing your ignorance here. You're just making yourself look like an idiot.
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Painkillers
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While doubling down is a predictable and arguably admirable trait of a young man, you're really not helping yourself here.
I just got another safe when I ordered my Makasi, good thing because Carmel needs a new home too
Painkillers
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I actually like the safety on the SKS, and in it's stock configuration, is plenty capable inside 200m with my old as$ eyes. The SKS is a robust, simple, effective carbine chambered in a proven intermediate caliber. When we were buying all matching Russians for $80-$150 per, we knew we were getting a bargain; and corrosive ball ammo was what, $0.11-$0.16 a round, and plentiful. Sorry, but these were the heady days, and it wasn't until the generation before us with .303 Br and Lee Enfields after the 2nd world war, that any generation has experienced anything similar to being inundated with the SKS.
Is the SKS better than the modern Carmel? No. Is the SKS has been garbage? No.
My only problem with the SKS is the neutering of the box mag. There's zero rational reason a full strip shouldn't be allowed in the gun. That's our overlords handy work though.
I commend you on bothering to write out a detailed response to that guy. I thought about it but his assertion is so re-t arded that I didn't see the point, tbh. I was just gonna call him a re-t ard but I figured my post would just get deleted. Moron just about covers it, I guess, haha
I had to. No choice. It was the only way I could get my eyes to stop rolling.
Yep, that was pretty much it lol
Yeah, I hear that. Sometimes I'm just astounded at how dumb people are and then I remember in what country I live
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Emailed Marstar to see if they’d heard anything about a more specific import date. They said no updates on when they’re going to be receiving them unfortunately.
IchBinEinSniper
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Another safe? My Makasi accidentally fell off the boat on the Labour Day weekend 2026…
Let me requalify what I meant, the SKS is better value for money than the IWI Carmel, sure the IWI Carmel is better in terms of a modern platform, but will it stand the test of time, that remains to be seen?
The IWI Carmel is better in the short-term but the SKS is better in the long term, depends on your perspective, if you want something flashy now sure IWI is a better investment of cash.
The SKS has proven that is still relevant some 80 years later after it was designed, do you think the Carmel will ever come close to having the same legacy? There are plenty of spare parts available in the aftermarket that you can buy for the SKS, even though they are proprietary, same cannot and will not be said for IWI Carmel, so it is not a moot point.
Don't think you understand chemistry, a polymer degrades over time and they have also have a glass transition temperature which over time becomes lower and lower at which point the molecular bond will fail.
Also, the stock connects to the receiver through a proprietary mechanism, if that lock-up fails, you can't just get a pic rail stock for it, you will need a special adapter to make it compatible.
The fact that you feel the need to insult me in order to get your point across, says a lot about your character dude.
